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| Jeff G. |
Jun 6 2005, 10:25 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
Link analysis is performed by the SpamCop Parser, part of the SpamCop Parsing and Reporting Service.
Finding links in message body is the first step of the process. The Parser steps through the body (if any) and each attachment that could contain a link (if any). It skips attachments that contain images and will reduce redundant links as necessary. It doesn't actually display the links it found in this step. It sometimes fails to find links that are really there - refreshing usually helps. Resolving link obfuscation is the middle step of the process. The Parser displays each link it found, followed by any deobfuscation that is necessary, followed by the IP Address of the link's host (a lookup of the A DNS Record), followed by the canonical name of that IP Address (a lookup of the PTR DNS Record). It frequently fails to start looking up the IP Address - refreshing usually helps. It also sometimes fails to resolve the IP Address, especially with the domains of spammers who are playing fast and loose with the Domain Name System, producing "ip not found" and "discarded as fake." messages - refreshing usually helps, and parsing the URL only in a separate browser window usually helps in stubborn cases when refreshing hasn't been helping. Tracking link is the final step of the process. The Parser again displays each link it found and was able to resolve (deobfuscated if necessary), again followed by the IP Address, and then the email addresses in the whois lookups of that IP Address from cache or (if the cached entry is stale or nonexistent) from ARIN and other appropriate Registries (there is currently a known issue with lookups of contacts at APNIC), followed by the abuse.net lookups of those email addresses (if those addresses are for role accounts), and finally a list of best contacts. It sometimes fails to start this step - refreshing usually helps. If it fails to resolve the IP Address, it displays a "Cannot resolve" message. Please make sure this email IS spam: indicates the end of the link analysis process. If you get tired of refreshing, please send a Manual Report for the URL(s). I believe all the failures described above are known issues, I just wanted to document them in one Topic. See also: SpamCop reporting of spamvertized URLs and a contribution from Don in that Topic. Edit: 2005/07/01 23:13 EDT -0400 Jeff G. added messages and Manual Report. Also added APNIC, toned down the rhetoric, and added " (if those addresses are for role accounts)". Edit: 2005/10/29 18:44 EDT -0400 Jeff G. added references to SpamCop reporting of spamvertized URLs and a contribution from Don in that Topic. This post has been edited by Jeff G.: Oct 29 2005, 05:44 PM -------------------- Best Regards, Jeff G. (full signature)
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| Wazoo |
Jun 6 2005, 10:47 PM
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What Life? Group: Forum Admin Posts: 12536 Joined: 22-January 04 From: Iowa Member No.: 18 |
The factual stuff - valid.
The "usually refresh ..." thing is a bit touchy ... On a spam source that's 'normal' ... say your typical compromised high-speed U.S. cable connected zombified system ... the parser works just fine, all the way through. On a spam source that's spammer controlled ... DNS, web-site, etc. .... there seems to be more failures than not. First 'easy' reason is the tieouts in the look-ups, though the reasons for this range from smply being badly configured servers to the outright blocking of 'certain/specific IP addresses. On a spam source from our favorite ISPs, the above applies in addition to some ignorant/explicit mis-configuration of server and server data. As seen in another Topic, what was the 'admin' person on when dreaming yp an "abuse" address od 1385902234[at]someISP ?????? The "refresh until it works" bit tends to also consume more resources at the SpamCop end. Once upon a time, there was a cache thing involved, and the "refresh" function seemed to take advantage that usually though the look-up thread timed out during a specific spam parse, the look-up may actually have eventually worked .. such that refreshing the parse then caused the next look-up to see and use the cached data. Although it is seen that some data does actually get cached (another Topic/Discussion about the Refresh link in the middle of a parse result) .... there is something else going on with some of the spam over the last few months to a year ... just what that is appears to fall under the "Julian isn't going to talk about it" scenario. Truth be told, most of these "failed to parse" results end up going to ISPs that don't give a hoot to receiving a complaint/report anyway, so it's hard to point to anything being "lost" when these URLs fail to come up as targets. Personally, I'd rather suggest that if these failed items 'demand' reporting, then the "Manual Reporting" FAQ item needs to be pointed to / used. Dropped a request off in the spamcop newsgroup asking for input to this item, a thread that has been going on for a while ... http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-...ead.html#101292 |
| mrmaxx |
Jun 15 2005, 08:31 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Memberp Posts: 407 Joined: 13-February 04 From: Dalton, GA Member No.: 369 |
I seem to keep getting the same spam at work, where I have Outlook 2000 and use SpamDeputy to help report. I noticed that some of the same links that were NOT being found and offered for reporting as recently as yesterday are now being found!
Just an FYI and a HUGE thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
| Jeff G. |
Jun 15 2005, 04:41 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
Please note that I will be re-evaluating the harshness of my original Post that started this Topic.
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| Jeff G. |
Jun 16 2005, 05:53 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
I have toned down the rhetoric.
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| dra007 |
Jun 17 2005, 07:11 AM
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Been There Group: Memberp Posts: 1413 Joined: 18-March 04 Member No.: 777 |
It is not surprizing at all that many of us have expressed frustration when analysis failed. If we take our time to do the analysis it is because we also send reports to gouvernment agencies in hope some action will be taken down the line, regardless of the refractor<I>ness of ISPs involved, and in spite of that.
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| Jeff G. |
Jun 17 2005, 09:02 AM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
-------------------- Best Regards, Jeff G. (full signature)
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| dra007 |
Jun 17 2005, 09:38 AM
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Been There Group: Memberp Posts: 1413 Joined: 18-March 04 Member No.: 777 |
Thanks for the correction!
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| Jeff G. |
Jun 17 2005, 11:30 AM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
You're welcome.
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| Jeff G. |
Jul 1 2005, 10:13 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
I added " (if those addresses are for role accounts)".
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| snaller |
Jul 14 2005, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff G. @ Jun 6 2005, 10:25 PM) Resolving link obfuscation is the middle step of the process. The Parser displays each link it found, followed by any deobfuscation that is necessary, followed by the IP Address of the link's host (a lookup of the A DNS Record), followed by the canonical name of that IP Address (a lookup of the PTR DNS Record). It frequently fails to start looking up the IP Address - refreshing usually helps. It also sometimes fails to resolve the IP Address, especially with the domains of spammers who are playing fast and loose with the Domain Name System, producing "ip not found" and "discarded as fake." messages - refreshing usually helps, and parsing the URL only in a separate browser window usually helps in stubborn cases when refreshing hasn't been helping. Hm.. refreshing helps? Perhaps an explanation why this helps. I just reported a spam with the url http://jw.1UW.affordablekinginventions.com/4h/ the spamcop system repeatedly said "host jw.1uw.affordablekinginventions.com (checking ip) ip not found" - refreshing helped nothing. And the address resolved here all the time. |
| Jeff G. |
Jul 14 2005, 11:15 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
snaller, I just used the Parser to parse just that URL twice. The first time, it couldn't resolve the IP Address, and the second time, it could resolve it and offered shengjun.zheng<at>fibrlink.net and wei.deng<at>fibrlink.com as reporting email addresses for IP Address 210.72.224.49. In my experience troubleshooting this particular issue, parsing just the URL independently until the Parser resolves the IP Address helps to increase the likelihood that parsing a spam that includes the URL will include resolution of the IP Address. Perhaps this is because parsing of individual URLs uses a longer timeout or a different algorithm or source for dns resolution, and parsing of spams relies in part on the cached results of the parsing of individual emails, and it may also depend on which servers in the farm you hit.
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| AlphaCentauri |
Feb 24 2006, 12:24 PM
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I have been getting a lot of spam lately advertising sites hosted on geocities in various countries. For some reason spamcop's parser usually doesn't pick up on these. I've been reporting them manually, since Yahoo will address the problem and discontinue the sites when it gets a report, but it would be nice to be able to do it via one step with Spamcop. The extra 24 hours it might take for a report to be received is money in the bank for the spammer.
The other issue is when instead of a site being advertised, the email advises people to contact an email address. The parser doesn't find those, but again, geocities will terminate their accounts if they get the report. |
| Farelf |
Feb 24 2006, 12:51 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3871 Joined: 23-February 04 From: Western Australia Member No.: 491 |
Hi AlphaCentauri, it's been a long time! Do you have a tracking URL of a case where the parser doesn't pick up the geocities hosted site? Many may be familiar with these, but I (for one) am not.
The email addresses, as used in 419 scams etc, were discussed in http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?...indpost&p=35473 maybe other threads as well. Did you look at that one? -------------------- Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
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| AlphaCentauri |
Feb 24 2006, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(Farelf @ Feb 24 2006, 12:51 PM) Hi AlphaCentauri, it's been a long time! Do you have a tracking URL of a case where the parser doesn't pick up the geocities hosted site? Many may be familiar with these, but I (for one) am not. The email addresses, as used in 419 scams etc, were discussed in http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?...indpost&p=35473 maybe other threads as well. Did you look at that one? Here's one from yesterday: http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z884407155zab...5528d30bd61082z Edit: 2006/02/24 14:49 EST -0500 Jeff G. replaced the posted spam email message (against the rules here) with a Cancelled Tracking URL. This post has been edited by Jeff G.: Feb 24 2006, 02:49 PM |
| Jeff G. |
Feb 24 2006, 02:53 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
QUOTE(AlphaCentauri @ Feb 24 2006, 12:24 PM) I have been getting a lot of spam lately advertising sites hosted on geocities in various countries. For some reason spamcop's parser usually doesn't pick up on these. I've been reporting them manually, since Yahoo will address the problem and discontinue the sites when it gets a report, but it would be nice to be able to do it via one step with Spamcop. Yes, it would be nice. I have found the formula for the addresses to be cc-geo-abuse[at]yahoo-inc.com, where cc is the country code; in this case, for country code es, the address would be es-geo-abuse[at]yahoo-inc.com.This post has been edited by Jeff G.: Feb 24 2006, 02:54 PM -------------------- Best Regards, Jeff G. (full signature)
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| bur |
Feb 24 2006, 05:47 PM
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I also had the problem of links not being resolved at all, refreshing doesn't help. It's not that the domain translation fails, simply nothing happens at all:
Example of no resolving The example shows this happening with geocities.com, but I also had this problem with other domains. Edit: 2006/02/24 18:30 EST -0500 Jeff G. changed the Tracking URL to one usable by all. This post has been edited by Jeff G.: Feb 24 2006, 06:29 PM |
| Jeff G. |
Feb 24 2006, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(bur @ Feb 24 2006, 05:47 PM) I also had the problem of links not being resolved at all, refreshing doesn't help. It's not that the domain translation fails, simply nothing happens at all: ca.geocities.com/jaynell21539jason35054/ is resolving now.Example of no resolving -------------------- Best Regards, Jeff G. (full signature)
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| gwelsh |
Feb 27 2006, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff G. @ Feb 24 2006, 07:31 PM) ca.geocities.com/jaynell21539jason35054/ is resolving now. Just for fun, I put that address in the parsing window and got: QUOTE(SpamCop parser @ Feb 27 2006, 01:24 PM) Parsing input: ca.geocities.com/jaynell21539jason35054/ Host ca.geocities.com/jaynell21539jason35054/ (checking ip) IP not found ; ca.geocities.com/jaynell21539jason35054/ discarded as fake. ALL Geocities URLs have extreme trouble parsing, i.e. I haven't seen one work first time yet, and the average number of reloads (it varies) before SpamCop actually does something with the URL seems to be going up. this is very unfortunate, because it would seem that at least one prolific spammer is using Geocities as his host of choice. HOWEVER, "ca.geocities.com" parses first time both times I tried it. If anyone is looking into this bug, that might be a clue. |
| Jeff G. |
Feb 27 2006, 10:08 PM
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T-shirt wearing out Group: Membersph Posts: 3730 Joined: 2-July 04 From: Northeast New Jersey (New York Metro Area), USA ... Please read my sig. :) Member No.: 2041 |
QUOTE(gwelsh @ Feb 27 2006, 01:33 PM) Just for fun, I put that address in the parsing window and got: I put "http://" in front of it ("ca.geocities.com/jaynell21539jason35054/"), as in http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=http%3A%2F...39jason35054%2F.ALL Geocities URLs have extreme trouble parsing, i.e. I haven't seen one work first time yet, and the average number of reloads (it varies) before SpamCop actually does something with the URL seems to be going up. this is very unfortunate, because it would seem that at least one prolific spammer is using Geocities as his host of choice. HOWEVER, "ca.geocities.com" parses first time both times I tried it. If anyone is looking into this bug, that might be a clue. -------------------- Best Regards, Jeff G. (full signature)
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