I really don't like avatars.

I don't know what avatars are (Rocambole called himself for a period Major Avatar).

This is much too complicated and fancy. I sincerely hope the NNTP groups continues.
I am never going to use these fora.

helge

Helge,

Thanks for working through the validation problem.


In this case Avatars are little graphics that represent the Members. JT has chosen not to use them.


Is there anything specific that you find too complicated?

Thanks!

The first forum allowed me to set preferences (like time zone)
There was no such possibility here (and the am/pm could not be opted out for the much more logical 24hour clock.

Navigating is complicated compared to NNTP. It takes at least twice as long to compose a message here.

Trying the quote: the window is too small for easy editing.

There are too many distracting, unneccessary and partly incomprehensible options.

I don't see how to enter an emoticon. When I click on a cliccable (to the left of where I am writing), my text disappears, while when I choose one from down below (Post Icons), nothing happens. (emoticons are enabled)

Sorry, I don't see any advantages with this system. And I am surprised that the original link given by JeffT doesn't redirect to this site. No wonder Ellen had to ask for the new link.

helge

You can set the time zone. Look at "My Controls".

I'm not sure how replying is more complicated. While looking at the message you want to reply to, click "Quote". Type your text in the top box and click the Add Reply button.

On my system, the window I'm typing in holds 21 lines of text. I guess that's enough for me. I rarely type more than that, I guess.




The emoticons are a java scri_pt link which just inserts text. For instance, the regular smile is inserted by typing a : and then typing a ). The clickable smilies are a shortcut and reminder, but won't work if you don't have java scri_pt.

Besides, NNTP probably doesn't have clickable smilies either.

Oh well, not everyone is going to love this. That's why we're keeping the NNTP as well.

JT

p.s. The only place this was announced was a posting called "Web Forum Test". That should be a hint that not everything is going to be stable. The original link was to a completely different bulletin board. The link to this one was announced a couple days later in the original NNTP thread.

[QUOTE=jefft,Jan 21 2004, 10:32 PM] [/QUOTE]
You can set the time zone. Look at "My Controls".

I'm not sure how replying is more complicated. While looking at the message you want to reply to, click "Quote". Type your text in the top box and click the Add Reply button.

On my system, the window I'm typing in holds 21 lines of text. I guess that's enough for me. I rarely type more than that, I guess.




The emoticons are a java scri_pt link which just inserts text. For instance, the regular smile is inserted by typing a : and then typing a ). The clickable smilies are a shortcut and reminder, but won't work if you don't have java scri_pt.

Besides, NNTP probably doesn't have clickable smilies either.

Oh well, not everyone is going to love this. That's why we're keeping the NNTP as well.

JT

p.s. The only place this was announced was a posting called "Web Forum Test". That should be a hint that not everything is going to be stable. The original link was to a completely different bulletin board. The link to this one was announced a couple days later in the original NNTP thread.[/QUOTE]
These are comments to your reply

1.Thanks

2. Is it possible to insert part quotes between one's own words. How?
It's elementary in email/NNTP.

3. I very seldom use emoticons, so I would like to get this window bigger and the emoticon lists removed. (Don't most spamcoppers disable java scri_pt anyway?) It is particularly annoying to have 'live' ones distracting me from the writing process, and your explanation strengthens my claim that there are to many irrelevant and disturbing elements on the page.

When writing this reply I have had to scroll up and down to see what I am replying to. That is one reason why I state that replying is more complicated.

helge

Yup - and I agree. Plus, nobody would want to see a real picture of me anyway ...

Well - that was my posting ... but I didn't realise I wasn't logged in!

Guess it is because it is a different forum software package?!

2 answer ... it's possible, but what a pain .. if you look at other "replies", you'll see that the "Quoted" post is embedded in it's own smaller window, so you can see both the quoted and the Repy.

3 answer ... what screen size are you running? Maybe that's an issue? At 1024x768, there's not much of a problem. Suspect that minimal screen sizes may cause a headache, Is this the issue that's getting you?

perhaps this is also what you meant about scrolling up and down?

From the way your Reply came out, it really appears to me that you were doing all your editing in the smaller box, below the emoticon list (on my screen anyway).
Where as I'm now typing into the larger box to the right of the Emoticon list, with the Quoted (and edited) copy of your post in the smaller box below.

When I hit the "Add Reply" (where the heck did that come from, of course I'm adding a Reply .. hot the heck do I Post it when I'm done typing?) ... it'll show up with these words in the large box, but the material I quoted from you will be within a smaller (and different colored) box withint that space. (In contrast to your last which everything occupied the same box and included the strings.

Any help, or are we back to the screen size issue that moves things on your screen differently?

Ok let's try that one again ...

In contrast to your last which everything occupied the same box and included the "[" quote "]" amd "["/quote"]" stings.

And here I was headed off to mention to JT that we had our very first fire and forget drive-by posting. I was surprised by the Guest post, thinking it was going to require logging in to allow that mode (usual case on other forums of this type anyway). Or maybe he has more configurations things to check out? Just back to the first attempt required registration before posting.

JT: I'm not sure how replying is more complicated


I am just trying to reply to that, and I can see at a glance how it *is* much more complicated indeed (and not threaded, anyway).


Enrico C


Ok, the blink *is* cute
But that's not what I was mostly looking for on an antispam group, you know ;-)

JT: Oh well, not everyone is going to love this. That's why we're keeping the NNTP as well.


Are you? I didn't get that from reading your announcement on spamcop.mail .

I understood you are going to terminate the spamcop.mail NNTP group

Ok, now I saw that Quote button. I used it and you can see what happens. The whole quote is there. Hmm..

How can I quote a specific sentence from the original message, then add my reply to that, then quote another sentence, then my reply, and so on?

I'd have to copy and paste each single sentence and then work out how to quote them using the Quote tags?

It seems to me it's a clumsy and overcomplicated system
:-/

IIUC [if I understand correctly], the NNTP version of SpamCop-Help will essentially change its purpose. Rather than be the principal place for general discussion and people (both users and "victims") seeking help, it will become a social forum for those "insiders" who prefer NNTP fora over web-based ones.

I see.
Thank you for that piece of information

But, what's going to happen to the spamcop.mail NG?

What is the basis for that understanding?

TIA

If avatars won't be used, why is the option to select/upload them still available?
And can we use avatars as our sigs? Can we even use images in sigs?

Actually, both spamcop.help and spamcop.mail are going away entirely.

JT

The software doesn't seem to be smart enough to let us disable uploading avatars.

No, our goal is that people wont't be posting or using images.

JT

Ok. Thanks for the update. Not sure if this deserves a mention in a FAQ, or in new member orientation, somewhere.
I spent a few minutes cropping an image to under 20K, and *seem* to have successfully uploaded it, could have avoided that if I knew images weren't allowed.
Now I know
Art

JohnL posted the following in the "This newsgroup is going away" thread in spamcop.mail and spamcop.help.

...My reasoning was along these lines:

• There no longer seems to be path into the NNTP .help from the SpamCop.Net home page, so any new requests for help from people who are not aware from previous experience of the existence of the NNTP .help will most likely post to the web-based .help forum rather than there
• Thus, the only ones populating the NNTP .help forum (until it goes away) will be those that know about it from previous experience

Do you have a different view, or were you just checking to see if my understanding had some basis in reality?

Ancient Topic .. brought up to date ....

The NNTP groups still exist. However, traffic in spamcop.mail is almost nonexistent, spamcop.help isn't showing that much usage, and as a result, the spamcop group has verything under the sun showing up in it. There is currently a lowlife individual trying to forge identities (and of course this befuddles new folks) ... had been taking advantage of the trust thing and cancelling posts in addition to the forgery ... using open proxies to make connections, n and on .. this person may be helping in having a decision made on the NNTP newsgroups ..

Avatars ... ok, they were not allowed from the beginning. However, just running through some things last night and made some configuration changes. The partial fix is that you should not be allowed to upload an avatar now <g> (A little checkbox has been toggled.)

These don't appear to work. Nor do images in signatures. I'm still snooping around, so I may have missed more relevant/recent discussion.

That's right, they're not supposed to work as a matter of policy. There was a snag in the technical implementation of that policy, which snag has now been corrected.