Jazzwineman

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  1. well now, we finally get to the truth and my point is made. They are in a conspiracy and in fact a paid conspiracy in which they profit from. That provides both more from a civil and criminal liability. One or an entity cannot act as an agent for illegal activity and not be caught in the same net.
  2. Point is and apparently we agree to this- that Coudfare's excuse for not doing anything about spammers that Cloudfare knowingly allows them to use their system is a phony excuse. While they may not have access to the clients website, they do reserve that right and once made aware that a client is using Cloudfare as a cover for illegal activity, Cloudfare can well cancel them out and they simply refuse to do anything. Under the broad definitions used by the Justice Dept. they can quickly get thrown in the conspiracy basket and they should be. Once an example is set, then you will find industry compliance.
  3. From Cloudfare's own TOS published policy: SECTION 11: INVESTIGATION CloudFlare reserves the right to investigate you, your business, and/or your owners, officers, directors, managers, and other principals, your sites, and the materials comprising the sites at any time. These investigations will be conducted solely for CloudFlare’s benefit, and not for your benefit or that of any third party. If the investigation reveals any information, act, or omission, which in CloudFlare’s sole opinion, constitutes a violation of any local, state, federal, or foreign law or regulation, this Agreement, or is otherwise deemed harm the Service, CloudFlare may immediately shut down your access to the Service. You agree to waive any cause of action or claim you may have against CloudFlare for such action, including but not limited to any disruption to your website. You acknowledge that CloudFlare may, at its own discretion, reveal the information about your web server to alleged copyright holders or other complaintants who have filed complaints with us.
  4. You are completely wrong on a legal standpoint and it is worth the time and effort of lawsuit and referral to the FBI which I have already done through a friend who works with Interpol. You are suggesting transactional immunity. They have been made aware of and in a clear way by law enforcement (of which you do not need to see published) If you want to make an excuse for what would constitute a conspiracy to commit fraud and distribute obscene material to minors- I would welcome you make that argument in court. Further you attempt to talk down to me fails on a number of issues, most of which is that i am have been a computer engineer for more than 25 years and am certified in everything, minus Adobe and Autodesk. and manage some 14,000 computers as I write this. Instead of finding an excuse that is overloading our systems with junk and fraudulent emails only designed to steal from innocent victims, it might be more appreciated if you attempted to find a solution. Cloudflare is creating a problem, they could choose to control. Apparently their lack of ethics and profit motivation do not give them an incentive to do so. Thta leaves us with other resources that mean that public, civil and criminal pressure can be applied to force them to do what is right.Sorry, in the law, being a middleman does give you freedom from liability. You remind me of Condi Rice saying she had nothing to do with the torture issue- she only delivered orders. I would suggest you read transcriptions of the Nuremberg tails and international law to see how well your argument fits.
  5. here is an example of what lking is referring to: SpamCop v 4.docx
  6. Coudfare is a reverse proxy and will use this excuse to avoid responsibility. Spamcops has sent thousands of reports to them and they know exactly which web sites or dns mailers are using them as a shield and do nothing. You need t let Cloudfare know it is lawsuit time. When ISP or reverse proxies or any of the other "hiders" on the Internet are informed and do nothing- they take on a legal and financial liability. If it started costing them jail time or money- what do you want t be they would take action??
  7. Well, I do not think talking down to a user with a real concern will accomplish anything. I have every intent on filing a lawsuit against Cloudfare. They can use their reverse proxy excuse all day long and after they have been informed of the illegal content and still do nothing, I believe that a reasonable conspiracy case can be made against them. They indicate they have no access to their customer's web content, but they can after having been informed of such. I would hope that spam cops would be more understanding of less informed people that the Chinese through (qq.com) are attempted to defraud and steal the identities of people and send clear obscene material through the web-( probably to minors as well) Cloudfare is acting as their wall of protection, but Cloudflare could stop this if so motivated.
  8. I am at wit's end dealing with the idiots at Cloudflare. I have directly contacted and spoke with their abuse department for what little they are worth They give every excuse in the book as a reverse proxy, but what they do not apparently understand, is that when they have been made aware of clear criminal, civil and other legal violations that they are allowing to hide behind their services then they take on legal responsibility. To say they do not have access to their customers "content" when spamcops has from me personally sent more than 250 abuses on this nonsensical and phony identity thieves who use their naked women, obscene materiel and language to send you to a dating site (not real) and the originating ip is already blacklisted and has no real dns or domain and yet they take a complete hands offs approach. Well, I will be going into Federal Court this week and file a lawsuit and have an appointment with the FBI to discuss their involvement in hiding criminal activity. This is no different than a landlord of a building or a house, being informed that his tenant is running a crack house or a meth lab and then doing nothing- he can now be included in a conspiracy charge and lose his property. What do you want to bet that if criminal or civil penalties were handed out to Cloudflare or ISP's that allow this nonsense they would find a way to stop it all of a sudden????????????????????????????? Allowing obscene language and photos to be sent willy -nilly all over the place and even to minors would stand up in Court for about 3 minutes. Any jury would convict them within a very short time.. I would be interested in other opinions and if you want to join the suit, please PM me. Tom in Dallas
  9. If you are aware of a problem in multiples of thousands and do absolutely zip- zero about it and allow fraud and theft to take place- well I think a class action lawsuit might be in order again these entities. It does not take a genius to figure out that these examples (of hundreds) are not the email address of anyone on this planet: (ad0657j4nz0arvy41z6o54)@(4f2bc64.adviceselectivebat.com) ( ad065zydzt0bu04glhjhck)@(8afe03a.adviceselectivebat.com). I have received hundreds of theses- all originating form a gmail related account and actually coming from the Chinese qq.com. All sexual nonsense about dating sites. Spamcops has reported this - well I have no idea how many times to axtelipmaster@gmail.com and qq (doubt they even care) and gmail does nothing. Yahoo will not adjust their filters, which they could for this and while I know better there are thousands or millions that do not that are being laid open to be taken advantage of. Why do we not bind together and get one of many attorneys to file some law suits that put an end to some of this instead of just letting it go unabated.