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  1. DO NOT ACTIVE BOUNCE EMAIL! supposed feature!

    A loud "AGREED", which goes for similar "features" on other software that use alleged address of the sender stored in the headers. Until someone comes up with a way of reliably assessing the trustworthiness of said headers without potentially causing problems for innocent bystanders, it's safer to assume that it's a clue that's never suitable for firing off bounces, nastygrams and other such responses.

  2. *********** REPLY SEPARATER ************

    Been there, done that. Even got a problem number, all to no avail. All I get is automated responses made to look like they are from a real person, but having nothing to do with the actual problem.

    J.A. Coutts

    That's exactly the sort of thing that prompted me to set up my own email server in preference to using the free Yahoo accounts I used to use. I am one of the many who have had cause to be grumpy with the way Yahoo deals with reports of problems, and could do a rant at this point but will skip it in the interests of not hijacking this thread any more than I have.

    Good luck.

  3. ...Well, I don't really expect first-level support people to necessarily have sufficient technical chops to understand but I do expect them to escalate it to someone who does!

    True! I recently had a response from Yahoo in connection with an incident that didn't involve discarded attachments but still left me scratching my head and wondering how what I'm assuming was their autoresponder could come up with the particular reply I received. A politely worded response from me to the effect that it didn't make sense elicited the standard Yahoo response about "we have taken appropriate action."

  4. Thank you for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

    I understand you want to forward email as an attachment from your Yahoo!

    Mail account. I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and

    let me address this for you.

    Unfortunately the feature or functionality that you're describing is not

    currently available in the newest version of Yahoo! Mail.

    If you have any further questions about Mail, please feel free to reply

    to this email, and we'll be happy to help you.

    Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

    I've had replies like that, followed some time later by responses from confused Yahoo support people. I'm sure many of us could wax lyrical about what seems to be incompetence [at] Yahoo's abuse desk.

  5. Report link

    When I read the body I was feeling fairly good, an IP that really cares and provided more than an auto response. then I realized I had received 182 copies of this email! The TO: list varies and contains as many as 14 xx[at]reports.spamcop.net addresses. But spamcop.net reporting is not the only collector of spam to be hit. Also included are reportingspam[at]usfamily.net and some others.

    There may be one more scri_pt to be removed. <grin>

    I notice that there are multiple "Reply-to:" headers in the offending email as well. I have no idea what good that would do, if any.

  6. Huh? Why would the source of the spam e-mail receive a report?

    Trying to guess that perhaps you are confusing the From: address with the IP Address of the sending e-mail server ... yet, even you mentioned the "even if the From: field is my own Domain" which made it sound as if you were aware of the normal mode these days of forged From: line data. However, guessing is way too hard and too much work.

    I've even had an incoming spam with a forged "Reply-to:" addresses using my own domain. I suspect that it could be a variant of the spam technique that utilizes backscatter to get the spam through, but I only recall noticing one such email.

  7. The "envelope sender" is just as easily forged - the only thing that can be relied on is the IP address that

    is doing the sending and which appear in the Received: header line

    Which is why I noted that using the envelope sender information isn't infallible.

    As far as I know, no one item that's available in the message headers and commonly used for detecting spam is completely trustworthy, not even the Received: lines. We are left having to make choices about what weight to place on each clue available that potentially helps us identify the true origin of an unwanted email and where (if anywhere) to send our reports and nastygrams. There are many opportunities for mistakes and differences of opinion.

  8. How is it even possible that mail being delivered by a yahoo server, did not originate on yahoo?

    Short answer: email forwarding, which can be set through a webmail option. Someone sends their rubbish to my yahoo email address, and Yahoo duly forwards it to an address at my own server. It's a waste of Yahoo's bandwidth (and mine) even if it arrives at Yahoo's servers from somewhere other than Yahoo. As far as my server is concerned, it's arriving from Yahoo.

    As an aside, I've had my moments when I've wanted spamcop to report based on the "From" and "Reply to" address, but have since learned that the "envelope sender" that's seen by servers is usually a more reliable but not completely infallible guide to the true sender. Figuring out what use (if any) to make of "From:" and "Reply-to:" headers is hindered by the fact that these can be easily forged: from a perspective of designing spam filters, it's often easier to leave them well alone.

  9. My experience has been that in spite of Yahoo's stated spam policy - http://docs.yahoo.com/info/guidelines/spam.html - they don't seem to care about spam that passes through their servers. I've even had replies to abuse reports stating something to the effect that because it didn't originate with their servers, they won't do anything. This is largely why I set up my own email server, rejecting what I can during the SMTP dialog, then reporting via Spamcop whatever manages to slip through. The filtering I have in place is a work in progress......

    I find it mildly strange, because spam is a waste of everybody's bandwidth.

  10. Hmmmmmm..I stumbled on this thread while contemplating some issues with Yahoo and how best to deal with them. The auto response cited earlier in this thread is just one example of what I've received trying to bring stuff to Yahoo's attention, as well as the "It didn't originate in our servers" and similar excuses, together with the listings [at] rfc-ignorant. Frustrating as it can be at times, it's a relief to know that I'm not alone.

  11. ***off-topic observation begins***

    It would appear Yahoo is an excellent way to send spam:

    Agreed, some aspects of dealing with email coming through Yahoo are a pain. I have a couple of issues with Yahoo., which are probably better dealt with elsewhere.

    <insert rant about forged sender credentials, envelope senders, forwarded emails, and mail loops>

    ***off-topic observation ends***

  12. resilt in zero Received: lines is some sort of e-mail client that offers up some 'simple' header display that strips out what someone considered unimportant data ????? Definitely not usefull at all from a spamcop.net Reporting perspective.

    I can't presume to speak on behalf of the OP. I have,, however, received notification emails sent by a well-known email provider (who shall remain nameless) which lacked some of the headers that you'd normally expect, such as "Received." It was as if they hadn't configured their system properly.

  13. As others have suggested, it is more common for blocking to be based on problems with the email address, email provider or message content.

    It could be possible that there's a spam filter somewhere that needs fixing. I had to rethink one of the filters on my own privately run email server after realizing that although it picked up an objectionable phrase correctly, it wasn't written as well as it could be and was occasionally generating false positives.

    Good luck!

  14. Spammers believe that every internet user is a 20-something, over-sexed, physically-under-developed, male who is happy to pump themselves full of dodgy drugs, wants a nice imitation watch, needs a "job" in "financial services" with a new logo, a web-site designed in Russia, and will send a few thousand dollars to a African who has millions just waiting to be released by the local dictator, if only he had some working capital. :rolleyes:

    And they are confident that you will be surprised to learn the truth about your fund, which is being held by an employee of the FBI/Fedex/UPS who happens to use a free email account in preference to one authorized by the organization they work for.