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Is this thread still active?   I've been building a case for months.  now you guys seem to have gone cold on going after Cloudflare.   

Let's go after them as a Class Action and at least get monetary compensation for our trouble.

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Hello Heather . . .

NO.  Dead.  I could not get an attorney interested without a 100-grand commitment up front.

  1. it will be extremely expensive, even though there is a clear violation of law
  2. it cannot be litigated in civil court
  3. Most attorneys I've talked to do not have the tech savvy to build the case to win
  4. There are now several dozen other "proxy" providers doing the same thing
  5. Since the advent of security awareness, the courts are not friendly to "finding" the source of email

I have reported literally hundreds of spams directly via CloudFlare's own reporting form.

For a long time they would reply a few days later with the owner of the spamvertised property, however recently they have started responding that "No action taken because we cannot find that any wrongdoing has been committed". . . . when I can prove they sent Russian "Girls" to minors.  Of course, you know that the distribution of pornography is a class 1 Felony.

By the time the case arrives in court, the "live" evidence is gone, and screen captures, addresses, headers, etc are not convincing evidence. 

It is a travesty, and so far as I can tell, one that cannot be combated.   IF you look at CloudFlare's P&L statement you see they're quickly becoming one of the BIG dot.coms and have multi-millions to crush anyone who stands up against them.  

I've written articles, sent article tips to big time writers and news editors to no avail.

Bottom line : nobody cares.

🙂

Sorry folks. 

Fred

https://medium.com/@showkster/dont-have-a-gun-of-your-own-here-use-one-of-ours-better-yet-use-cloudflare-2ee4766e2c76

 

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1 hour ago, showker said:

Hello Heather . . .

NO.  Dead.  I could not get an attorney interested without a 100-grand commitment up front.

  1. it will be extremely expensive, even though there is a clear violation of law
  2. it cannot be litigated in civil court
  3. Most attorneys I've talked to do not have the tech savvy to build the case to win
  4. There are now several dozen other "proxy" providers doing the same thing
  5. Since the advent of security awareness, the courts are not friendly to "finding" the source of email

I have reported literally hundreds of spams directly via CloudFlare's own reporting form.

For a long time they would reply a few days later with the owner of the spamvertised property, however recently they have started responding that "No action taken because we cannot find that any wrongdoing has been committed". . . . when I can prove they sent Russian "Girls" to minors.  Of course, you know that the distribution of pornography is a class 1 Felony.

By the time the case arrives in court, the "live" evidence is gone, and screen captures, addresses, headers, etc are not convincing evidence. 

It is a travesty, and so far as I can tell, one that cannot be combated.   IF you look at CloudFlare's P&L statement you see they're quickly becoming one of the BIG dot.coms and have multi-millions to crush anyone who stands up against them.  

I've written articles, sent article tips to big time writers and news editors to no avail.

Bottom line : nobody cares.

🙂

Sorry folks. 

Fred

https://medium.com/@showkster/dont-have-a-gun-of-your-own-here-use-one-of-ours-better-yet-use-cloudflare-2ee4766e2c76

 

There is no question in my mind they they are now and had been hiding the Russian attack on this country in 2016 and every day since then. This should be a matter of criminal prosecution. Their sillya.. President cannot even answer questions that are of serious legal matters claiming that covering for sites that sell pirated copyrighted material is somehow violating free speech. A ridiculous argument and then he says it is not his job to make it easier for law enforcement. I assure you that have made plenty of money from the Russians and their phony dating sites and GRU activities against this country. They also allowed the use of their services by Neo-Nazis in Britain. I have contacted the Washington Post, NY Tomes, LA Times, the Associated Press and the BBC. No response so far.

 

This is as bad as all the phony, spoofed number frauds from India.  It is beyond pale that we allow innocent people to victimized by these frauds. It really now should be part of the political discussion, but the medai and people get hung up on so many trivial and banal issues.

 

Tom In Dallas

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Jazzwineman said:

They should be shut down for their criminal negligence and, dare I say it, willful misconduct.

 

Tom

Would like 1 only recent tracking URL, SpamCop works I don't get much from Cloud Flare?
Seems something is up with them though?
https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2015/10/12/certificate-authorities-issue-hundreds-of-deceptive-ssl-certificates-to-fraudsters.html

Edited by petzl

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15 hours ago, petzl said:

Would like 1 only recent tracking URL, SpamCop works

Just one?  LOL ... I have hundreds.  And don't forget, Digital Ocean is as bad, and ALSO a Cloudflare customer

Trouble : While looking for just the right one to send, one with child pornography, I discovered a really disappointing thing about SpamCop . . . they don't save the links.    So now I realize I should have been saving all the spams all along, because the SpamCop reports go dead after a short while, and will be of no use in court.

Oh, here's one now . . .

-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+

Here is your TRACKING URL - it may be saved for future reference:
https://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z6551228113zce6952908972d8430eb3d88f55842047z
https://specialoffer.cannablisslabs.com/fm/?affid&s134941&s2Y3423566&s3=&s4=&s5=&reqid777172

This email IS spam:
From: "cannablisslabs" <no-reply@spacemarket.co.jp> (Claim your bottle of CBD oil today!)
 .The most powerful Cannabidiol Oil! ............................................
 .....................5=E6=9C=88=E3=83=9D=E3=82=A4=E3=83=B3=E3=83=88=
View full message

Report spam to:

Re: 134.209.189.24 (Administrator of network where email originates)
To: abuse@digitalocean.com (Notes)

Re: https://specialoffer.cannablisslabs.com/fm/?aff... (Administrator of network hosting website referenced in spam)
To: abuse@cloudflare.com (Notes)

&&&&&&&&&&& 

NO WAIT . . . USE THIS ONE  ... this one has the target link protected by CloudFlare, as well as the spam destination redirect link!

Here is your TRACKING URL - it may be saved for future reference:
https://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z6546024000z195052b423505e92dbf0eb0857849a47z
https://www.jvzoo.com/b/0/31317/2
http://easyretiredmillionaire.info/0jZ5j
http://jvsales.info/edrev/
https://smms.sendlane.com/unsubscribe-mail/b938ea05417e15965f4d1f5fbc94365d/campaign/4076/smms

This email IS spam:
From: Audrey Lynn <fZuckerberg@gmail.com> (=?UTF-8?B?8J+SsPCfkq8gWW91IEFyZSBDYXBhYmxlIG9mIEdlbmVyYXRpbmcgJDE=?=,250/Day Guaranteed !)
Showker,You've just been granted a custommade Income = View full message

Report spam to:

Re: 68.183.81.64 (Administrator of network where email originates)
To: abuse@digitalocean.com (Notes)

Re: http://easyretiredmillionaire.info/0jZ5j (Administrator of network hosting website referenced in spam)
To: abuse@sharkservers.co.uk (Notes)

Re: http://jvsales.info/edrev/ (Administrator of network hosting website referenced in spam)
To: ipabusereport2#liquidnetlimited.com@devnull.spamcop.net (Notes)
To: postmaster#liquidnetlimited.com@devnull.spamcop.net (Notes)

Re: https://smms.sendlane.com/unsubscribe-mail/b938... (Administrator of network hosting website referenced in spam)
To: abuse@cloudflare.com (Notes)

Re: https://www.jvzoo.com/b/0/31317/2 (Administrator of network hosting website referenced in spam)
To: abuse@cloudflare.com (Notes)

-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+-+---+

don't forget . . . Digital Ocean is also a huge spam purveyor, and they too are protected by CloudFlare ... in fact, they're hosted by CloudFlare.  

ALSO Amazon and Google -- both doing the same as CloudFlare . . . in fact, take a look at THIS :

 

 

03_amazon_spam.jpg

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Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, lisati said:

One of the links in the body of the message tracks back to cloudflare.

For websites a different problem
Cloudfare are "presently" selling "cheap" cloud storing space
A lot of naive clients are not using secure passwords
Cloudfare need to insist and check password compliance state the maximum characters their password can handle, with a minimum of 9 characters ideally need to have at least one  .Lowercase, uppercase,a numeral and a special symbol like, ( ) - = @ $ ^ & ? etc,
Perhaps generate a unique one randomly between 20 and 32 characters for every customer
Then insist that a malware/virus scanner is being run (like Windows defender)

They are not doing this

Edited by petzl

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9 hours ago, petzl said:

For websites a different problem
Cloudfare are "presently" selling "cheap" cloud storing space
A lot of naive clients are not using secure passwords
Cloudfare need to insist and check password compliance state the maximum characters their password can handle, with a minimum of 9 characters ideally need to have at least one  .Lowercase, uppercase,a numeral and a special symbol like, ( ) - = @ $ ^ & ? etc,
Perhaps generate a unique one randomly between 20 and 32 characters for every customer
Then insist that a malware/virus scanner is being run (like Windows defender)

They are not doing this

Cloudfare needs to be criminally prosecuted and further sued into oblivion. Ihave zero interest in helping the business of someone that has conspired with enemies of the United States, as well as allow commission of other crimes against  the USA. That is is like a landlord that rents to a group of people and then is informed by law enforcement that these tenants are running a meth lab and the landlord takes a hands off approach and refuses to respond or make any effort to throw the tenants out.

 

TBB

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10 hours ago, Jazzwineman said:

Cloudfare needs to be criminally prosecuted and further sued into oblivion. Ihave zero interest in helping the business of someone that has conspired with enemies of the United States, as well as allow commission of other crimes against  the USA. That is is like a landlord that rents to a group of people and then is informed by law enforcement that these tenants are running a meth lab and the landlord takes a hands off approach and refuses to respond or make any effort to throw the tenants out.

 

TBB

Still looking
https://blog.cloudflare.com/project-galileo-fifth-anniversary/

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