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The email I send to One specific domain is blocked by this service GORBS I dont know how to clean me up from this black list or service, does anyone know? how?

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First of all, you posted within the Test Forum .. please note the description;

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Moved to the Lounge.

Per data found via Google (gee, what a novel idea)

http://www.mcse.ms/printthread.php?threadid=962516

Posted by UKinahan on 09-03-04 02:25 PM:

Found it...

Gorbs is actaully owned & operated by Bellsouth webhosting.

It is an internal product that they use for spam control.

you can call this number to request to be remove from their list, they will then ask you to submit a email to support[at]bellsouth-hosting.net and this is the number to call; 800-313-6589

Good Luck,

Ultan Kinahan.

Posted by metoonow on 09-08-04 02:50 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Black lists

GORBS is used by bellsouth, sbc, verio, and several other webhosting companies. It seems to be a coordinated list between them. Getting off one will get you off all of them.

Per conversation at http://ask-leo.com/what_is_denied_by_gorbs...nced_email.html

Gorbs is actaully owned & operated by Bellsouth webhosting.

It is an internal product that they use for spam control.

you can call this number to request to be remove from their list, they will then ask you to submit a email to support[at]bellsouth-hosting.net and this is the number to call; 800-313-6589

Posted by: Cassius Seeley at January 11, 2005 09:56 AM

My company email server was also blacklisted by 'gorbs'. After several days of investigation I finally got to the bottom of this mystery. Gorbs is NOT owned or operated by Bellsouth. It is owned and operated by Verio Inc. Before you try to go to their website for information, stop...there is nothing there related to gorbs. I had to call their customer service number (which IS on the website) and get transferred to tech support, but I got my answer. If you find your email server on their list you need to email 'support[at]verio-hosting.com' AFTER you obtain a ticket number from their tech support group. It took them two days, but my server was removed. Good luck!

Posted by: javier at February 22, 2005 05:21 PM

I have been in contact with BellSouth and Verio. Both deny that they work with GORBS and will not assist (they say they have no ability to remove anyone from the list). Does anyone out there have any other info on the dang GORBS?

Posted by: Jim at February 23, 2005 03:32 PM

I have been reading through everything I can find on this GORBS issue online. It seems that no one can pin point the exact way to get off of this list. Has anyone come up with a solution to the Denied by GORBS problem. I have 1 client out there screaming that his emails are getting bounced back. HELP!!

Posted by: Richline at April 28, 2005 12:11 PM

Edited by Wazoo

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Still a bit sleazy .. there doesn't seem to be any above-board place to go look at it, no web-site for instance. I suppose it's interesting that these folks have apparently teamed up and all, but .....

on the other hand ... whoah!

whois -h whois.godaddy.com gorbs.com ...
Registrant:
   Gorbs Corp.
   1015 Old Town Rd.
   Coram, New York 11727
   United States

   Registered through: Act Now Domains

   Domain Name: GORBS.COM
      Created on: 28-Feb-02
      Expires on: 28-Feb-05
      Last Updated on: 30-Dec-02

   Administrative Contact:
      Smith, Ronnie  countart[at]optonline.net
      Gorbs Corp.
      1015 Old Town Rd.
      Coram, New York 11727
      United States
      631-988-2604      Fax -- 

   Technical Contact:
      Smith, Ronnie  countart[at]optonline.net
      Gorbs Corp.
      1015 Old Town Rd.
      Coram, New York 11727
      United States
      631-988-2604      Fax -- 

   Domain servers in listed order:
      DNS1.NOREAST.NET
      DNS2.NOREAST.NET

12/17/04 18:04:40 Browsing [url="http://gorbs.com/"]http://gorbs.com/[/url]
Fetching [url="http://gorbs.com/"]http://gorbs.com/[/url] ...
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: gorbs.com
<title>GORBS Corp. - NEW YORK - Global Organization Representing Buyers and Sellers</title>
<a href="mailto:countart[at]optonline.net" title="This site is under reconstruction. If
 you have any questions please click this image to email us. Thanks for visiting
 Gorbs Corp."><img src="newgorbs.gif" border="0"></a>

whois -h whois.opensrs.net gorbs.net ...
Registrant:
 Greg Grobarcik
 3806 N Washington
 Westmont, IL 60559
 US

 Domain name: GORBS.NET
 Administrative Contact:
    Grobarcik, Greg  gorbs[at]xnet.com
    3806 N Washington
    Westmont, IL 60559
    US
    7082436035
 Technical Contact:
    Administrator, System  hostmaster[at]lunarpages.com
    14730 Beach Blvd.
    102
    La Mirada, California 90638
    US
    +1.7145218150

 Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
 Record last updated on 02-Oct-2004.
 Record expires on 02-Oct-2005.
 Record created on 02-Oct-2004.

 Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.LUNARPAGES.COM   216.193.194.212
    NS2.LUNARPAGES.COM   216.193.207.106
 Domain status: ACTIVE

12/17/04 18:07:01 Browsing [url="http://gorbs.net/"]http://gorbs.net/[/url]
Fetching [url="http://gorbs.net/"]http://gorbs.net/[/url] ...
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: gorbs.net
<TITLE>gorbs.net - Greg Grobarcik's Home on the Internet</TITLE>
OK, so you've now noticed that I have officially created my own <br>
domain name of gorbs.net (hosted through the fine folks [at] <br>
<a href="http://www.lunarpages.com">LunarPages</a>). 

Neither having much direct connection to a BL ... but that optonline.net is 'interesting'

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Have you actually looked at gorbs.com? The splash screen talks about how Gorbs does web design, silk screening, music production, etc. and invites you to "browse the site to see what Gorbs can offer you." Try to do any browsing, though, and you quickly learn that every link on the page - and even the background graphics - is simply a mailto: an address at optonline. This is either the worst-configured webpage ever or someone's up to no good.

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Did I "look" at the page .. no ... did the SamSpade 'safe' browse, which then just puts the code text on-screen .. I copied just that snippet about "under construction" to show that yes, I'd 'went' there ... but I don't do the blindly jumping into wierd sites .. especially after seeing the WHOIS data <g> That coincidence between an alleged consortium of large ISPs coming up with a BL, but then see the identifying acronym already in use by one of our most favourite outfits ... dang, I'm confused <g>

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Wow there is a Gorbs!

Whodathunkit........................

21509[/snapback]

There is indeed a gorbs :-)

owner of gorbs.net here ... the domain without just a mass of mailto links. Not that I have anything of interest to TOO many people outside my immediate sphere of influence, but thats another story. Anyhow, I too have researched a little bit the "denied by gorbs" issue since I have had someone use my contact form to let me know that I've been stopping emails from his customer from getting through and to please remove him from my blacklist (which of course is not my BL ...). Gave him a similar if not the same google article posted to help him solve it. I don't know if he ever got it working right as I did try a polite follow up email to him a couple weeks later and got no reply from him.

Has anyone found the definitive link or website to visit in order to get off the list? Not that I care since i'm not on it, but for the next time I'm accused of stopping someone's right to free trade I'd like to know where to tell them to go ... besides the obvious of course :-)

greg

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Still a bit sleazy .. there doesn't
 seem to be any above-board place to go look at it, no web-site for instance.  I
 suppose it's interesting that these folks have apparently teamed up and all, but .....

on the other hand ... whoah!

whois -h whois.godaddy.com gorbs.com ...   Coram, New York 11727
   United States

   Registered through: Act Now Domains

   Domain Name: GORBS.COM
      Created on: 28-Feb-02
      Expires on: 28-Feb-05
      Last Updated on: 30-Dec-02

   Administrative Contact:
      Smith, Ronnie  countart[at]optonline.net
      Gorbs Corp.
      1015 Old Town Rd.
      Coram, New York 11727
      United States
      631-988-2604      Fax -- 

12/17/04 18:04:40 Browsing [url="http://gorbs.com/"]http://gorbs.com/[/url]
Registrant:
   Gorbs Corp.
   1015 Old Town Rd.

[cut - I on't know of them]

Neither having much direct connection to a BL ... but that optonline.net is 'interesting'

21516[/snapback]

optonline.net is a spammer. To amuse yourself look at spamhaus.net - registered to rackspace.com, another spammer. These people are just trying to catch simple mistakes and take advantage of them.

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optonline.net is a spammer.  To amuse yourself look at spamhaus.net - registered to rackspace.com, another spammer.  These people are just trying to catch simple mistakes and take advantage of them.

That's what was meant by the "on the other hand ... whoah!" comment <g>

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Well, I found out who really runs the 'gobs' thing. I called Bell South to find this out. Verio.com is the place you want to go. They are owned by NTT Communications (ntt.com) One warning, use the online support request, not through email because they automatically block all incoming emails without account information in the subject line. I wrote them today, and I'll post back when I get results.

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Received the following vis PM today. The problem is that this user offered no supporting data, no alternate contact points, rgostered here wih a HotMail address (thus not showing any possible connection to any of the entities involved) ... However, the IP leads me to build my version of a guess at what actually happened ..

Could you please remove the quote regarding Bellsouth owning Gorbs, it is causing numerous calls to the wrong source. BellSouth once outsourced their web hosting to Verio, GORBS is a Verio product and Bellsouth is no longer associated with Verio. Please inform users when blacklisted to do a network whois on the mail server ip they are sending to and then contact the ip address owner about being removed from their blacklist. Thanks!

My contention is that the existing Topic wasn't read completely, eyes stopping at a certain post and action initiated. After doing yet another round of search-engine work, I did come up with another discussion elsewhere that backs up this PM's scenario .... so added that data to the existing posting (above) so as to possibly preclude someone else going off without "the rest of the story"

One would think that based on the age of data found that this "denied by Gorbs" was a failed experiment ... but that it surfaced again via this PM ...??? (User that sent this PM was replied to, asked to follow-up 'here')

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Hopefully, I have some real information here...

I recently had a customer complain about an email being "denied by gorbs." A whois lookup of the recipient's domain name showed the Tech Name as Verio Hostmaster, along with the Tech Phone as 888-663-6648. I called this number and spoke to Jason at Verio (after several levels of phone-menu navigation.)

I gave Jason the recipient's domain (who had hosting with Verio) and the IP address of my server, as well as my email and the domain from whence the denied email was sent. He claimed that he would send it to the "abuse department," where the IP would be checked for an open relay. I should get an email stating that the IP has been removed, or that it's still denied and the reason why within a day or two.

I also asked if "gorbs" was strictly a Verio product. Jason said it was, and that any message stating "denied by gorbs" is most likely them. Checking the whois information should also show Verio as the Tech information in most cases. In short, he said that the whois information for the recipient's email domain should lead you to Verio.

I guess we'll see in a couple days if I get removed...

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Thanks to everyone for putting together the puzzle that is GORBS...

I was able to get a few more tidbits and another number for those "denied by GORBS."

My contact with Verio indicated that GORBS is maintained by the web hosting unit of Verio. The contact number is 800-551-1630 then prompt 4, prompt 1, prompt 1.

The email address appears to be support[at]verio-hosting.net, although I gathered this address from responses to my phone call.

The support staffer in the web hosting unit was named Heath, and he took the request to be removed and forwarded it internally. I received the email confirmation that our domain was removed from the list about 45 minutes later.

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Thanks ... sure wish Verio would expose this data externally.

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Hello posters...

I'm a bit disappointed that many of you do not do your research and bash people and businesses you have no idea about. My company Gorbs Corp., a web design and development company which also now does all types of media creation and SEO consulting, has absolutely no connection to Bell South OR any spamming whatsoever. Over the period of years I've been dealing with people trying to contact me irate about their spam filter problems. I put up an image on my home page with an email link in case my clients needed to contact me and started developing other sites to work from. I refused to change the corporate name since I established my business before their program was implemented. I have recently updated the site (and will be over the next few months) since I cannot find any trace of Bell South's filters at this point.

For the record, my company has been working with other companies over the years with thier design and development services as well as print and banner advertising and placement. However, we have NEVER even sent a group email to our clients no less spam. Each client is treated as our only client and up until a few months ago, worked from referral only.

I appreciate the chance to clear up the matter and I hope this answers any questions you may have.

Thank You,

Ron Smith

Gorbs Corp.

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I'm a bit disappointed that many of you do not do your research and bash people and businesses you have no idea about.

Well, this original exchange is now five years old. The research that was done was five years ago and at that time it appears that Bell South did have a service it called GORBS. Who knows if they still do but the information appeared to be correct at the time.

I don't see any 'bashing' of anyone going on five years back but that's my opinion/

Andrew

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...I appreciate the chance to clear up the matter and I hope this answers any questions you may have.

Thank You,

Ron Smith

Gorbs Corp.

Hi Ron. As Andrew says - all that was a long time ago, anyone reading through the earlier part of this thread would appreciate that Verio was discovered to be the instigator/administrator of the GORBS data base. That was also reported more generally on the internet in other locations (usually at a slightly later date).

Now that you have started to strap some content onto your website, I think nobody would be in any doubt about any aspect of it.

I note you have pointed out (long ago) in other venues that there is no connection between GORBS and Gorbs Corp but (naturally, since 'denied by Gorbs' doesn't seem to have remained an issue 'here'), wasn't aware of that action. Thanks for updating us here as well.

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