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I just received this, and I am little leery about giving this guy my information.

What do i do?

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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:35:28 +0200

From: "Anthony Smit" <anthonys[at]hookstick.com> Add to Address Book

Subject: Spamcop report id:1338366226

To: 1338366226[at]reports.spamcop.net

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Hello SpamCop user,

I am the Administrative contact for the Fortunelounge group. I was made aware of your complaint by spam cop and wish to assist you in dealing with the unsubscribe process.

I need the following information from you in order to unsubscribe you:

1. Your casino user account, or

2. Your email address, or

3. Your name and surname.

Upon receiving the above information I will be able to unsubscribe you from our mailing lists.

--

Please use the link below to review the report in question:

http://www.spamcop.net/mcgi?action=showhis...;val=1338366226

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The catch is ... "we" don't know the rest of the story. Technically, this does appear to be a response to a spam parse/report/complaint somehow fed to this person, possibly passed on by the fine folks at abuse[at]ca.mci.com ???? What you posted shows a To: address of the spam report ID number, which would have then been forwarded by the SpamCop server to your registered (reporting) account. You are being asked to allow them to Remove you from their list, commonly known as "list-washing" ....

Without doing a bit of research, (maybe someone will jump on this later) it's not known whether this outfit is known for running a dirty list and this is how they handle those who complain or whether it is possible that you did sign up ... I don't have access to see the spam or the report details ... but basically it boils down to this;

If you signed up with them, then a parse/report should not have been done .. rather the unsubscribe action should have been taken.

If you didn't sign up and this is the general spam garbage we all see, then it's up to you to answer (or not) .... let them list-wash you so you no longer receive their garbage (crossing fingers that they aren't the type to immediately add you to a hundred different lists) or .....

The FAQ here should contain an ancient newsgroup-published "standard" response to a list-washing request written by a Larry Killgalon (spelling might be off) ... have you run through the FAQ here yet?

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If you signed up, then you should unsubscribe.

If you did not sign up, then you should NEVER unsubscribe (unless you did business with them and don't want to be bothered to go through other channels to educate them that it is rude to bother an email customer with a mailing unless they ask for it).

IMHO, a response to a report should always be answered because that is the polite way of doing business. However, you need to be able to keep your real email address from this person by using a throwaway account to answer him. It sounds like a classic listwash attempt because if you had subscribed they would have been able to tell from the spam report. You can use the report ID number for the 'name.'

Basically what you want to say is "I am sorry but I can't help you. I don't know what information you have because I never gave it to you. If you are using information that wasn't given to you by the person you are emailing, then I don't want to give you any further information. If you want to stop the reports, then you will have to stop using non-confirmed subscription lists."

Miss Betsy

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Just got this this morning: :angry:

Hello,

I received notification that you received this notice as spam. Please verify that you would not like to be on the Campus Dining notice, and let me know what email address it was sent to. I can then contact my client and ensure that you are removed from the list. I have posted the email below.

If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us via email at support[at]atlantech.net or via telephone at 301-755-2260 or tollfree at 1-866-755-2260.

Sincerely,

Rick S

Support Technician | support[at]atlantech.net

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Atlantech Online, Inc. | http://www.atlantech.net

phone: 301-755-2260 | 866-755-2260

fax: 301-589-3936

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view our Network status | http://noc.atlantech.net

I know perfectly well where these guys got my address--from various public and semi-public University sites. I never requested any such thing, of course. I'm debating what to do, as they apparently don't care if the "client" spams the whole school.

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My answer to both would be if you did not sign up for their email then do not answer and keep reporting the spam they send you and do not report the replies sent due to a lart.

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OK, I was getting worried that the data had somehow disappeard from the FAQ .... but just looked .. there it is ... Look for the FAQ entry of " E-Mail Address Removal, Unsubscription, & Listwashing" ....

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OK, I was getting worried that the data had somehow disappeard from the FAQ .... but just looked .. there it is ... Look for the FAQ entry of "  E-Mail Address Removal, Unsubscription, & Listwashing"  ....

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I'm aware of the issues surrounding listwashing. The question is whether to ignore or to tell the guy what you think of him. After all, he did take time out from his workday to e-mail me.

Anyhow, I can't find that FAQ, and I looked in several places. ;)

Aha! It's in the FAQ under construction forum in the "Original Spamcop FAQ" topic. But it didn't turn up when I searched for it.

Edited by Christine

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I know perfectly well where these guys got my address--from various public and semi-public University sites.  I never requested any such thing, of course.  I'm debating what to do, as they apparently don't care if the "client" spams the whole school.

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So, if they're doing address harvesting from web sites, they're violating CAN-spam -- criminal activity under US federal law.

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I'm aware of the issues surrounding listwashing. The question is whether to ignore or to tell the guy what you think of him. After all, he did take time out from his workday to e-mail me.

IMHO, a polite, but firm answer should be sent that says you have all the information you need. IOW stop using scraped addresses. Definitely be careful about giving him any more information than he has. (Also might mention that you intend to keep reporting emails.)

Miss Betsy

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