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Hi, guys.

If you're interested, please check out the webmail upgrade which is current running in beta:

http://delta2.cesmail.net

This should be pretty much like the current webmail, just with some new features and all the latest code. If you see anything that doesn't work or is missing, please comment here in this forum.

One thing, I know that the Held Mail button is missing from the top menu. That's really just a link to the Held Mail folder. For now, just change to the Held Mail folder using the folder selector at the upper right.

Everything else should be fine. If we don't hear of any show-stopping bugs, we'll roll this out in a week or so, so please take a look, especially if you're a regular webmail user.

JT

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Creating a new message the input files were simply blank boxes with no discriptions

Basic logic implied that they were in the following order

To

CC

BCC

Subject

But it would be nice to be able to see the titles

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Did a test sending an Word Doc attachement in response the the following topic

which worked fine.

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Creating a new message the input files were simply blank boxes with no discriptions

This is due to problems with the default "color scheme" that is configured under:

Options / Edit options for: / Global / Other Information / Display Options / Select your color scheme.

[on edit: I originally thought that the system defaulted to the first color scheme on the list, "Azur," but after further testing, I've discovered that the defaut, when a user hasn't done any specific confirugation, is "Hi-Contrast" which has white backgrounds, and therefore produces the "white on white" which is making the box labels invisible]

The problem goes away if you change your color scheme to "Purple Horde," which is the scheme that appears to be the normal one for the current SC webmail. This is a problem that I reported to JT over a YEAR AND A HALF AGO during the (forgotten? aborted? atrophied?) previous webmail Beta test, which you'll find documented here:

http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3572

To be specific, I took a look at the CSS behind the "new" beta and found that those header field labels are using the "light" style, which is white in color and the Azur color scheme seems to use a white background for most screens, so you wind up with white on white, which is why you didn't see the labels in the message composition window.

This is currently a "show stopper" for rolling out the new webmail, but it should be easy to fix....either by making everyone's color scheme default to "Purple Horde" or by fixing the CSS so that you never get white on white, no matter which color scheme you select (the latter is probably the better fix, IMO). You'll note also that on the current beta login screen, that most of the background is white and that the link text attribute (for "the news page") is defined as yellow, making it all but unreadable, so that also needs changing.

If you read that old thread (it's got cobwebs growing on it), you'll also note that Jeff G had reported some problems that may or may not have been resolved by now. It would be good to have some sort of specific response to his report before any of us "sign off" on this.

DT

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If you read that old thread (it's got cobwebs growing on it), you'll also note that Jeff G had reported some problems that may or may not have been resolved by now. It would be good to have some sort of specific response to his report before any of us "sign off" on this.

I also had problems reported in that thread with reporting via forward to my submit address. That is working in the new beta.

I personally do not consider the white on white a "show stopper" but agree it should be fixed. I have noticed 2 other issues.

1. The SSL certificate is invalid for delta2 (understandable and would be fixed once the app was moved to the correct server).

2. Login is required every time I leave the site and return.

I have used the beta exclusively the last week while on vacation and found it better for dialup that the live system.

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I've spent the last week far away from home on the end of a very slow, always on connection.

The speed of the beta version is significantly faster than the live version.

Andrew

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The speed of the beta version is significantly faster than the live version.

Unknown variables ....

... may be running on a newer/faster dedicated system

... lack of users connected on this new system/install

... software might just be faster

I'd be leaning towards the first two items for right now

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One of the things that the live system does (mentioned to JT ay back) that the new system does not (especially noticed on a slow conection) it reset the prompt to the start of the username prompt after the spamcop graphic is loaded. On a slow connection, I have time to get half my username typed in before it is reset. I have never had the issue on my broadband connection because the graphic loads much faster.

The new system does not have that graphic (yet).

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I personally do not consider the white on white a "show stopper" but agree it should be fixed.

The reason it IS a show stopper is that "white on white" anywhere in a user interface is totally unacceptable....ask any software designers. While you and I might know how to overcome the problem by changing our options, how would the average user know to do that? (I doubt they would)

But how hard can this be to fix? (surely not very hard at all) However, I submitted information about this problem a year and a half ago...I want to know what happened to the information we sent to JT during the beta testing that was going on very early in 2005.

DT

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This just in as reply to my email to Jeff:

> 3. Default color scheme has white on white for descriptions of fields

> while creating a new message.

>

I'll have to look at that.

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This just in as reply to my email to Jeff:

> 3. Default color scheme has white on white for descriptions of fields

> while creating a new message.

>

I'll have to look at that.

I hope someone sends him my most recent discovery....I experimented with a bunch of the different color scheme options and found that the default one isn't actually the first one on the list ("Azur") but rather one named "Hi-Contrast" which has white backgrounds. The one he should probably use, because it best matches the current webmail, is "Purple Horde." I never received any responses to things I've sent Jeff about the varous Betas, so maybe you could send this to him?

DT

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Hello? Anyone home? Looks like things are slowing down again on this latest Beta.....

DT

Reply from JT indicated he is looking for more feedback on this before doing a cutover.

From JeffG's previous comments in the other thread:

3. On the Held Mail mailbox/Folder, Mark All is now Alt+A, instead of Alt+K. Similarly, on the Inbox mailbox/Folder, Mark All is now Alt+A, instead of Alt+N. Extra points for internal consistency, lost points for upgrade inconsistency.
This is still the case... Alt+A is select all in all folders.

4. There is no more hotkey for "Report as spam" (formerly Alt+E). This would present a big problem for me.
This is still the case.

6. The "Held Mail" button is gone.
This is still the case but was mentioned in the thread opener.

One thing, I know that the Held Mail button is missing from the top menu. That's really just a link to the Held Mail folder. For now, just change to the Held Mail folder using the folder selector at the upper right.

Jeff: Also, there is currently a "Report spam" button that directs to http://mailsc.spamcop.net/. I find this button useful when forwarding to my submit account failed (which is currently working in the beta, btw).

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Reply from JT indicated he is looking for more feedback on this before doing a cutover.

At least he answers you.

The "color scheme" problem is still there. Please suggest to him that he fix that before replacing the current webmail with this new version. As for more feedback, it doesn't seem to be forthcoming...

DT

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I hope someone sends him my most recent discovery....I experimented with a bunch of the different color scheme options and found that the default one isn't actually the first one on the list ("Azur") but rather one named "Hi-Contrast" which has white backgrounds. The one he should probably use, because it best matches the current webmail, is "Purple Horde." I never received any responses to things I've sent Jeff about the varous Betas, so maybe you could send this to him?

DT

OK, I'm trying to figure this out. Who all here sees the "white on white" when doing a new message?

What I'm seeing is that if you have a color scheme selected that doesn't exist any more, then the Hi-Contrast is getting selected for some reason.

If you truly have no color scheme at all (which means you've never logged in a selected a color scheme) the default is "Blue and White".

If you selected Lavender before, the name has changed, so that's why you get Hi-Contrast.

Who else gets Hi-Contrast right now? I'd like to look in the database and see what you have selected now. I can probably just force all those people over when we make the switch.

JT

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OK, I'm trying to figure this out. Who all here sees the "white on white" when doing a new message?

What I'm seeing is that if you have a color scheme selected that doesn't exist any more, then the Hi-Contrast is getting selected for some reason.

If you truly have no color scheme at all (which means you've never logged in a selected a color scheme) the default is "Blue and White".

If you selected Lavender before, the name has changed, so that's why you get Hi-Contrast.

Who else gets Hi-Contrast right now? I'd like to look in the database and see what you have selected now. I can probably just force all those people over when we make the switch.

JT

I have never played with the color scheme, in fact I needed DavidT guide to even find it. The default for me was "Azur," which resulted in the white on white display. This is the first time I have even gone in to check what the settings were/are.

Are you saying that the "Azur," color scheme no longer exists but remains as the selected scheme?

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I have never played with the color scheme, in fact I needed DavidT guide to even find it. The default for me was "Azur," which resulted in the white on white display. This is the first time I have even gone in to check what the settings were/are.

Are you saying that the "Azur," color scheme no longer exists but remains as the selected scheme?

I think if you actually select "Azur" you'll see that it's totally different from white on white. Azur is probably what you see when you actually have a "bogus" theme selected.

From what I can see in the database, you actually have "lavender" selected. I just fixed lavender, by the way, so it works in the new webmail.

Who else see white on white when they login? Post your spamcop.net username here if it isn't obvious.

Thanks

JT

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While I was in the global options menu, thought I would take a look around.

the filters group opens up a list of options that seems to be missing something; no options are displayed.

Could it be a function of the scheme setting?

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I think if you actually select "Azur" you'll see that it's totally different from white on white. Azur is probably what you see when you actually have a "bogus" theme selected.

From what I can see in the database, you actually have "lavender" selected. I just fixed lavender, by the way, so it works in the new webmail.

I see that has "fixed" my problem and my scheme has magicly changed to lavender.

Was lavender the default color at some point in time?

How does not "select" a bogus theme? or is it simply the result of the current selected theme in the Current version of WebMail carrying forward to the beta version, but not finding it defined in the beta version?

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I see that has "fixed" my problem and my scheme has magicly changed to lavender.

Was lavender the default color at some point in time?

How does not "select" a bogus theme? or is it simply the result of the current selected theme in the Current version of WebMail carrying forward to the beta version, but not finding it defined in the beta version?

Yes, actually I never changed your color preference in the database. At some point, in the old webmail, it appears you picked lavender.

You're correct. If you pick a color in the old webmail that doesn't exist in the new, that's when you have a problem. At this point, lavender seems to be the only one and I fixed it. However, I'm not sure how the other people saw the white on white. If anyone still is seeing that, please let me know your username so I can check the database.

While I was in the global options menu, thought I would take a look around.

the filters group opens up a list of options that seems to be missing something; no options are displayed.

Could it be a function of the scheme setting?

Well, the problem is that the whole system is made to be extended. So, the filters are an application and each application can have configuration options. However, in our case, there are no configuration options for the filters. There are filter settings and such, but that's all set in the filter application. The filter application has no further configuration. But the overall system adds a configuration option to that menu for every application, so it lets you edit it even though they are empty.

Clear as mud?

Anyway, you're not missing anything. That's an empty menu. I'll try to eliminate it, but there's really not supposed to be anything there.

JT

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JT, thanks for the replies.

The only strange thing is how did I ever change my setting to lavender in the first place when I did not know where to find the setting options? Could it have happened to have been a default at some point in time?

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JT, thanks for the replies.

The only strange thing is how did I ever change my setting to lavender in the first place when I did not know where to find the setting options? Could it have happened to have been a default at some point in time?

OK, could someone point me to the setup in the old webmail for changing color settings? I don't recall ever changing them or seeing a place to change them.

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JT, thanks for the replies.

The only strange thing is how did I ever change my setting to lavender in the first place when I did not know where to find the setting options? Could it have happened to have been a default at some point in time?

Default, you actually don't have an entry in the database at all. In that case, the system displays the system default (but still doesn't actually stick anything in the database for you). No idea how it got there, probably not a big deal. On the old webmail, it's actually much easier to find, incidentally.

JT

OK, could someone point me to the setup in the old webmail for changing color settings? I don't recall ever changing them or seeing a place to change them.

It's under "Display Options", upper right corner of Options.

JT

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Who else see white on white when they login? Post your spamcop.net username here if it isn't obvious.

I'm seeing it now in both my and my wife's logins, but I don't want to post our usernames in public, because all you do is add "spamcop.net" or "cesmail.net" and our addresses are published....not all the people who come here are "friendly" if you know what I mean...I will use the two private methods of sending to you in your forum profile (PM and "send an email") and hope you receive one of those.

I just checked the color scheme list in the Display Options of the beta, and it seems that you've removed the "Hi-Contrast" scheme from the list. That seems to be the scheme that's being presented to both my wife and I now, even though my wife's setting in the old webmail is "Standard" and mine is "Use Default Value." I say "seems to be" in that when I last experimented with "Hi-Contrast," it was the one that had the "white-on-white" problem and it had the colors I'm now seeing in both of our beta logins. Now, when I login to the beta, neither one of us seems to have a color scheme selected. This is odd, because I had previously selected "Purple Horde" for my own login and now that selection seems to have been blown away for my login. I intentionally didn't mess with my wife's, so that I could have a "control" for experimentation purposes, but I didn't realize that our (old webmail) settings were different. However, I think that my wife's setting of "Standard" is functionally equivalent to my current lack of a setting (Use Default Value) in that I just tried changing her over from "Standard" to "Use Default Value" in the Options on the current webmail and the change didn't "take."

I've written to the author of the Horde "Hi-Contrast" theme to see if he has any light to shed on the "white on white" issue. JT, please check the PM or the email I'm sending from this system and take a look at the beta using my two accounts. When you go to compose a new message, I think you'll see the "white on white" effect.

DT

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It's under "Display Options", upper right corner of Options.

JT

Thanks. Mine is set to "Use Default Value" on the live system (login: underwood) and I saw the white on white issue until I selected "Purple Horde" in the Beta. Is it possible to set "Purple Horde" as the default for everyone in the new application until they reset it?

The reason I did not find it, I was actually looking for a color when scanning the pages, not "Use Default Value" :blush:

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One thing, I know that the Held Mail button is missing from the top menu.
When I logged into the beta this morning, there was a Held Mail button in the top menu, so it seems that you've added it. However, it didn't work (for either of my acccounts), in that instead of displaying the Held Mail, it brought up a new login screen.

DT

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