Inetpayment Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Hi everyone, I work for a billing company, and we're starting to do a lot of email-marketing work with our existing clients to their existing customers, and opt-in lists we have been buying. Before you groan, I'm talking full optin details with IP's, Dates, Sites, and what exactly they've asked to receive. If you're an admin/moderator here I can send you some examples of the data we've been purchasing to reassure you our intentions are good We're going to authenticate with Bonded Sender and Yahoo's trusted DNS program, the whole nine yards, but first things first. I would like to know if anyone here can recommend a hosting company who has a good track record with the anti-spam community. Services like Doubleclick's DartMail and Lyris are hideously expensive, and for the most part, total overkill for what we'll be doing for the time being. Anyway, any suggestions or pointers in the right direction would be appreciated. Thanks, Tristan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dra007 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Deja vu. Sounds like spammer talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inetpayment Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 Deja vu. Sounds like spammer talk! I could say the same thing.... Sounds like macho vigilante talk! Without starting a pissing match..... This is the sort of response legitimate mail marketers have to put up with all the time, and it doesn't help either of us one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazoo Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 From this side of the screen .... I work for a billing company, OK, generically this would suggest that your are basically an accounting firm, collating the charges from your clients and sending out statements in hopes of receiving payments ... and we're starting to do a lot of email-marketing work this doesn't seem to fit "a billing company" description ... with our existing clients to their existing customers, and opt-in lists we have been buying. absolutely seems to have strayed far from the "just a billing company" description. That you choose to include "buying opt-in lists" is simply another "bad action" described by a series of words that spammers have simply run into the ground. The only "clean" list is one you've (honestly) developed yourself, end of story. Before you groan, I'm talking full optin details with IP's, Dates, Sites, and what exactly they've asked to receive. If you're an admin/moderator here I can send you some examples of the data we've been purchasing to reassure you our intentions are good And again, coming in late to the party, there's not much in your list of "details" that couldn't be generated by a scri_pt in just a few minutes, and that would be including waiting for the laser printer to warm up. You are attempting to swim in polluted water, however good your intentions are. We're going to authenticate with Bonded Sender and Yahoo's trusted DNS program, the whole nine yards, but first things first. You mention cost being a factor a bit later, yet you mention Bonded Sender in this sentence ...???? Doesn't totally equate. I would like to know if anyone here can recommend a hosting company who has a good track record with the anti-spam community. Services like Doubleclick's DartMail and Lyris are hideously expensive, and for the most part, total overkill for what we'll be doing for the time being. Anyway, any suggestions or pointers in the right direction would be appreciated. 39665[/snapback] Like most things these days, pick your company and do a Google, both in the web-page search and in Groups. I believe you'll generally find that the "real" answer is to do your own mailing-list is the only "good" answer. And with this background to the way your query was posed and the choice of words used in that query, the response you'll get in most (anti-span) places will probably be very similar ... yet again, spammers have preceded you and left their taint .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farelf Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ... Anyway, any suggestions or pointers in the right direction would be appreciated. ... 39665[/snapback] What's your current provider's reputation score? That is, send a blank email with subject "Reputation check" (without quotes) to reputation[at]ironport.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dra007 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Seems like neither Tristan nor Isolda are coming back for this. Isolda sings the Liebestod; she came too late to save him. She lies down -- dead. The play is done; the curtain bell is ringing Thus ends this sad and tragic tale. And Mark? He keeps on singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farelf Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 LOL thanks dra007, that makes my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inetpayment Posted January 26, 2006 Author Share Posted January 26, 2006 Sorry for the no reply yesterday guys. It was Australia day here yesterday (a public holiday) and I spent the half the day packing boxes to move house this weekend, and the arvo drinking What's your current provider's reputation score? That is, send a blank email with subject "Reputation check" (without quotes) to reputation[at]ironport.com Thanks for that, should be handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Betsy Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 I don't think it is possible to 'buy' optin lists - at least ones that won't get you in trouble or are worthwhile (worthwhile since people who would subscribe to get 'anything' are not likely to be good customers). All the 'advertising' lists that I have subscribed to lately, mention that I probably need to whitelist their address in order to keep getting their emails in their confirmation email. I don't have a whitelist and haven't had a problem, but I think that is interesting. And, in addition, if people have subscribed legitimately to receive 'anything' they will be getting a lot of stuff (from the other people who are buying these 'optin' lists), it will be like sending snail mail to an untargeted audience - most of it will not be read - if not filtered out. The risk you are taking in being blocked by someone who doesn't recognize your email as being one that was signed up for is not worth it either. That's my $.02 USD. Miss Betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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