Optaining Email list of complaint - 66.36.175.211

[amitshah]

It,

Seems we had send a mailer which totally comply with the spam act. It would be nice to know the list of users who complaint about it. It seems people are mostly unaware of what is spam and what is obatin mailing list for the products they used it for free.

Our company is reputed Telecard Network and it's seems there are complaint from the users We would like to get the email address list od those person

Thank you,

[Merlyn]

If the person who reported it did not request the email then it is spam. spam is not about conTent it is about conSent.

If the person did not give you their email address then they do not want you listwashing. If you want to remove the person who complained then remove everyone on your list who did not request your mail via "Confirmed Opt-In".

This is a very simple concept.

[Chris Parker]

Seems we had send a mailer which totally comply with the spam act.  It seems people are mostly unaware of what is spam and what is obatin mailing list for the products they used it for free.

Just because mail is CAN-spam compliant does not mean that it's not spam. It's all about consent, rather than content.

[Wazoo]

"Telecard Network" gathers many results via Google, but I wasn't able to track anything down that offered "free" products .. I actually got bored with all the "cheap telephone card" advertising .... I'm making a guess that you are not representing the "large WLL provider in Pakistan" ... so am then having to go with you are part of the "cheap telephone card network" programs and plans, which makes it hard to go with that you might not be guilty of spamming, based on the history of MLM and get-rich schemes over the years. Perhaps you want to do a better job of identifying your company if I'm way off-base?

That you believe your 'mail' was CAN-spam compliant still doesn't mean that I have to accept it and/or ignore it.

[turetzsr]

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It would be nice to know the list of users who complaint about it.

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...This question is answered, I believe, in SpamCop FAQ: How do I get in touch with the person who filed the complaint?. If you are not receiving SpamCop complaints, ask your ISP or whomever told you about the spam abuse reports to follow the instructions in the FAQ.

...If all else fails, you can write to the SpamCop deputies at e-mail address deputies [at] spamcop.net. Provide as much information to the deputies as you can.

[amitshah]

"Telecard Network" gathers many results via Google, but I wasn't able to track anything down that offered "free" products .. I actually got bored with all the "cheap telephone card" advertising ....  I'm making a guess that you are not representing the "large WLL provider in Pakistan" ... so am then having to go with you are part of the "cheap telephone card network" programs and plans, which makes it hard to go with that you might not be guilty of spamming, based on the history of MLM and get-rich schemes over the years.  Perhaps you want to do a better job of identifying your company if I'm way off-base?

That you believe your 'mail' was CAN-spam compliant still doesn't mean that I have to accept it and/or ignore it.

As I wrote it's an "obtain mailing list" from our affiliates who offer free services to their customers.

And please mind your language "cheap telephone card network". It's shame to know that you know the provider in Pakistan but don't know provider in USA. May be this whole thing is outsourced to people to have little idea about Mailers. So please don't second guess anything. We are part of IDT Telecom.

The only right thing about your posting is the last paragraph but it's already been said by first posting so i would call it "plagiarism"

[eaolson]

As I wrote it's an "obtain mailing list" from our affiliates who offer free services to their customers.

What, precisely, is an "obtain mailing list?" One that has been obtained from a third party?

The only right thing about your posting is the last paragraph but it's already been said by first posting so i would call it "plagiarism"

Plagiarism is reproducing and claiming another's work as your own. Unless you're claiming to have written Wazoo's first paragraph, you are quite mistaken.

[Merlyn]

Like I previously said.

If you did not use a closed loop "Confirmed Opt-in" process then you are spamming.

[Wazoo]

As I wrote it's an "obtain mailing list" from our affiliates who offer free services to their customers.

Your term means absolutely nothing to me literally, although I can weave a lot around the possibilities of a definition.

And please mind your language "cheap telephone card network". It's shame to know that you know the provider in Pakistan but don't know provider in USA. May be this whole thing is outsourced to people to have little idea about Mailers. So please don't second guess anything. We are part of IDT Telecom.

I'll invite you to try the same thing I did .. using only the data you provided "Telecard Network" ... fire up Google, and please ... tell me how I'm supposed to guess at just what type of listing shoud I have looked at that might actually have been "you" ???? As I suggested, maybe you'd like to put a real identity behind the clue of a "business" name offered up.

The only right thing about your posting is the last paragraph but it's already been said by first posting so i would call it "plagiarism"

That's strange, the words I typed onto the screen from my keyboard came from my thoughts at the moment, and I see nothing in [your] first post that looks anything close, so I would question your definition and understanding of your terms.

At this point, it would appear that it is you and your group of affiliates that may have a problem understanding the issue. Once again, you've left "us" guessing at the rest of the story, and in all honesty, this is one that's been heard too many times. If, in fact, all your (and affiliate) "notices" are CAN-spam complaint, the you'd have no problem also providing some of the same data here .... Name, physical address, and contact points of this alleged company you're trying to represent as an above-board outfit .... (sorry, but "part of IDT" just doesn't quite cut it for me)

[amitshah]

As I wrote it's an "obtain mailing list" from our affiliates who offer free services to their customers.

Your term means absolutely nothing to me literally, although I can weave a lot around the possibilities of a definition.

And please mind your language "cheap telephone card network". It's shame to know that you know the provider in Pakistan but don't know provider in USA. May be this whole thing is outsourced to people to have little idea about Mailers. So please don't second guess anything. We are part of IDT Telecom.

I'll invite you to try the same thing I did .. using only the data you provided "Telecard Network" ... fire up Google, and please ... tell me how I'm supposed to guess at just what type of listing shoud I have looked at that might actually have been "you" ???? As I suggested, maybe you'd like to put a real identity behind the clue of a "business" name offered up.

The only right thing about your posting is the last paragraph but it's already been said by first posting so i would call it "plagiarism"

That's strange, the words I typed onto the screen from my keyboard came from my thoughts at the moment, and I see nothing in [your] first post that looks anything close, so I would question your definition and understanding of your terms.

At this point, it would appear that it is you and your group of affiliates that may have a problem understanding the issue. Once again, you've left "us" guessing at the rest of the story, and in all honesty, this is one that's been heard too many times. If, in fact, all your (and affiliate) "notices" are CAN-spam complaint, the you'd have no problem also providing some of the same data here .... Name, physical address, and contact points of this alleged company you're trying to represent as an above-board outfit .... (sorry, but "part of IDT" just doesn't quite cut it for me)

Your term means absolutely nothing to me literally, although I can weave a lot around the possibilities of a definition.

That's what you did.

I'll invite you to try the same thing I did .. using only the data you provided "Telecard Network" ... fire up Google, and please ... tell me how I'm supposed to guess at just what type of listing shoud I have looked at that might actually have been "you" ???? As I suggested, maybe you'd like to put a real identity behind the clue of a "business" name offered up.

It's so lame of you to trust google for everthing. We don't pay google for putting up in number 1 position and why should we?

Piece of advice try yahoo!

I can go on but that's the difference between me and you.

[Miss Betsy]

So please don't second guess anything.

Then, the answer is no, there is no list of reporters who complained about receiving email that they did not request. If they had requested it, you would be able to tell from the spamcop report who had reported you (that's not a guess; it is a statement of fact).

Miss Betsy

[Wazoo]

It's so lame of you to trust google for everthing. We don't pay google for putting up in number 1 position and why should we?

Assumptions suck .. for your info, I went 10 pages deep into the Google listed hits ... and I still don't have a frigging clue as to how to guess at which marketing plan you are tied up with, as you've already ruled out the WLL Pakistan links. ... And based on your responses thus far, I'm having a hard time convincing myself that there's anything left to discuss in this Topic.

[turetzsr]

...This person seems more interested in flames, trolls and debate than in getting help. Therefore, how about moving this to the Lounge?

[Merlyn]

...This person seems more interested in flames, trolls and debate than in getting help.  Therefore, how about moving this to the Lounge?

Most spammers get upset becuase they don't spam

[amitshah]

Hi,

I didn't reply because you guys said you had no reports for complaint.

My hosting company which is siteturn has our account suspended and they say it's because Spamcop reported spam.

http://66.36.175.211/

So I guess it's my hosting company which is Siteturn that sucks.

www.Siteturn.com Sucks

[Wazoo]

I didn't reply because you guys said you had no reports for complaint.

Excuse me? "Us guys" made no statement that I can see. Had you provided some data on who you were, what IP addresses were involved, perhaps someone here might have made a statement. Recall, you asked for (yet another) list of e-mail addresses from "us" ... this was rejected all around ... and you've offered nothing of substance since.

And now you suggest that "your" ISP has suspended an account of "your part of IDT" and we're supposed to believe that? I'd think that IDT is a large enough business that they would host their own web-sites.

Hmmmm, not quite the type of ISP that a world-wide corporation like IDT would normally be seen as using. And after reading their rules and regulations, it looks like you'd better be prepared;

TOS

UCE (Unsolicited Commerce Email) - spam

Spamming, or the sending of mass unsolicited email, from or through a SiteTurn Networks server, to a SiteTurn Networks customer(s), or using an email address that is maintained on a SiteTurn Networks machine is STRICTLY prohibited. SiteTurn Networks will be the sole arbiter as to what constitutes a violation of this provision. If you engage in any of the foregoing activities using the service of another ISP or IPP, but channeling activities through a SiteTurn Networks server as a maildrop for responses, you are in violation. Violators will face an immediate suspension and indefinite removal from our network, as well as a minimum fine of $250 and other recourse, as applicable.

and that's just for e-mail abuse ....

[turetzsr]

Hi,

I didn't reply because you guys said you had no reports for complaint.

...Who is "you guys" who said that? I do not see that here. The closest is Miss Betsy's reply, above:

Then, the answer is no, there is no list of reporters who complained about receiving email that they did not request.

which is not the same as saying that SpamCop received "no reports for complaint."

...Was my reply, above of any help? If not, what is missing that might help you?

[Wazoo]

OK, here I go again ... as I read anything and everything that gets posted into these Forums, Subject Lines mean little to me. Only now do I notice that there was an IP in the Subject line, coincidentally, this turns out to be the same IP referenced in the "Account is Suspended" notice. Of course, the BL shows this IP as "not listed" .. being a web-site vice an e-mail server. Maybe this explains the "you guys" remark ...????

Though admitting that I still haven't figured out what the 66.3 is supposed to stand for ... probably was going to type in the IP again?

[dra007]

This is begining to sound more like a lounge discussion...or perhaps a re-incarnation of your_buddy!

[Merlyn]

Well if he is suspended then he doesn't have to worry about spamming :-)

[amitshah]

Hi,

I didn't reply because you guys said you had no reports for complaint.

...Who is "you guys" who said that? I do not see that here. The closest is Miss Betsy's reply, above:

Then, the answer is no, there is no list of reporters who complained about receiving email that they did not request.

which is not the same as saying that SpamCop received "no reports for complaint."

...Was my reply, above of any help? If not, what is missing that might help you?

Hi -- there are no reports for IP 66.36.175.211

In any case we could not send you the email addresses of the users who

report spams for privacy reasons and also because most of our users have

multiple email addresses where they receive mail but use only one registered

account to report all their spams so we do not know where the original email

was delivered.

Ellen

This is the email i got from Spamcop deputies.

[amitshah]

I didn't reply because you guys said you had no reports for complaint.

Excuse me? "Us guys" made no statement that I can see. Had you provided some data on who you were, what IP addresses were involved, perhaps someone here might have made a statement. Recall, you asked for (yet another) list of e-mail addresses from "us" ... this was rejected all around ... and you've offered nothing of substance since.

And now you suggest that "your" ISP has suspended an account of "your part of IDT" and we're supposed to believe that? I'd think that IDT is a large enough business that they would host their own web-sites.

Hmmmm, not quite the type of ISP that a world-wide corporation like IDT would normally be seen as using. And after reading their rules and regulations, it looks like you'd better be prepared;

TOS

UCE (Unsolicited Commerce Email) - spam

Spamming, or the sending of mass unsolicited email, from or through a SiteTurn Networks server, to a SiteTurn Networks customer(s), or using an email address that is maintained on a SiteTurn Networks machine is STRICTLY prohibited. SiteTurn Networks will be the sole arbiter as to what constitutes a violation of this provision. If you engage in any of the foregoing activities using the service of another ISP or IPP, but channeling activities through a SiteTurn Networks server as a maildrop for responses, you are in violation. Violators will face an immediate suspension and indefinite removal from our network, as well as a minimum fine of $250 and other recourse, as applicable.

and that's just for e-mail abuse ....

spam policy are written on each and every hosting companies and it seems you are novice and wasting your time posting it.

We have plenty of IP address to host our servers where we can host it but you it's no point talking to you as you might not have any idea about geo DNS other wise you wouldn't write.

[turetzsr]

Hi,

   I didn't reply because you guys said you had no reports for complaint.

...Who is "you guys" who said that? I do not see that here. The closest is Miss Betsy's reply, above:

Then, the answer is no, there is no list of reporters who complained about receiving email that they did not request.

which is not the same as saying that SpamCop received "no reports for complaint."

...Was my reply, above of any help? If not, what is missing that might help you?

Hi -- there are no reports for IP 66.36.175.211

In any case we could not send you the email addresses of the users who

report spams for privacy reasons and also because most of our users have

multiple email addresses where they receive mail but use only one registered

account to report all their spams so we do not know where the original email

was delivered.

Ellen

This is the email i got from Spamcop deputies.

...Hmm, that reply suggests that :

• your information is mistaken -- there have not been any reports against you [what makes you believe that there are?]) and/ or
  
• you are not entitled to the information for which you are asking. Only e-mail and ISP administrators may (and are the only ones to whom the information would be useful).
  

...What about the part of my reply where I asked:

If you are not receiving SpamCop complaints, ask your ISP or whomever told you about the spam abuse reports to follow the instructions in the FAQ.

Did you try that?

[Wazoo]

Yes, I have no idea why you are continuing this. If you have "plenty of IP space" then why bother complaining here that some mean ISP cancelled some web site that you have yet to identify, allegedly advertising some fantastic business offerings from some company that you won't identify, and the business itself is thus far only known as cheap Telecom cards .... an alleged company that gets its leads from something called "obtain lists" that somehow ties into affiliates and partners. And not to forget, your original quest was to be provided the e-mail addresses of people that had complained about something received from "you" .... I'm thinking, better luck next time .. as it doesn't appear that you've got the pieces put together yet.

[Merlyn]

Yes, I have no idea why you are continuing this.  If you have "plenty of IP space" then why bother complaining here that some mean ISP cancelled some web site that you have yet to identify, allegedly advertising some fantastic business offerings from some company that you won't identify, and the business itself is thus far only known as cheap Telecom cards ....  an alleged company that gets its leads from something called "obtain lists" that somehow ties into affiliates and partners.  And not to forget, your original quest was to be provided the e-mail addresses of people that had complained about something received from "you" ....  I'm thinking, better luck next time .. as it doesn't appear that you've got the pieces put together yet.

That just about summed it up perfectly!

ROTFLMAO