trpted Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Help me please I got this e-mail saying, his e-mail was blocked. Can you tell me why? Received: from n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.16]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc16) with SMTP id <20050714170001016003s55le>; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:00:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.94.237.16] Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=XAY4S9pjNYj+ZP46bEAkve9FICY5QGq8EzEBmF55U3LUCB9KNEn7LOI5j3MRpxG2CMdevNwaP+ra3ERHGifwmKvBCt/yrm+Uaii2h5u+iJrdJBT0yEaNpB89LFr0rHiG; Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 17:00:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2005 17:00:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:00:01 -0000 From: "Dave Reese" <*****[at]ptd.net> To: ********[at]att.net Subject: Blocked Message-ID: <db65mh+e3a5[at]eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.229.208.195 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose Sender: notify[at]yahoogroups.com X, My regular Summer Harmony emails from my address went out and I got a statement that I was now blocked by your provider... here is the message: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at smtp16.mailnet.ptd.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. Your message did not reach its destination. Please call your tech support for assistance. PenTeleData can be reached at 1-800-804- 5783. Please double check the section Bounced <user[at]domain.name> for possible errors and the following lines to determine cause of this bounce message. <***********[at]att.net>: Connected to 204.127.134.23 but sender was rejected. Remote host said: 550-204.186.29.136 blocked by blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net. 550 Blocked for abuse. Please contact the administrator of your ISP or sending mail service. Any ideas why? Dave An orginal message not blocked. Received: from smtp31.mailnet.ptd.net ([204.186.29.16]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc15) with ESMTP id <2005051800335901500l6fb8e>; Wed, 18 May 2005 00:33:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [204.186.29.16] Received: (qmail 26567 invoked by uid 50005); 18 May 2005 00:33:01 -0000 Received: from 24.229.208.195 by smtp31.mailnet.ptd.net (envelope-from <*****[at]ptd.net>, uid 50002) with qmail-scanner-1.23 (uvscan: v4.3.20/v4491. Clear:RC:0(24.229.208.195):. Processed in 0.530151 secs); 18 May 2005 00:33:01 -0000 Received: from cooputer.msns.sm.ptd.net (HELO Cooputer) (authenticated:******[at][24.229.208.195]) (envelope-sender <*********[at]ptd.net>) by smtp31.mailnet.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <*********[at]earthlink.net>; 18 May 2005 00:33:01 -0000 Reply-To: <**********[at]ptd.net> From: "Dave Reese" <**********[at]ptd.net> To: <*******[at]earthlink.net>, <*******[at]webtv.net>, <*********[at]worldnet.att.net>, <*****[at]enter.net>, <********[at]aol.com>, <*********[at]enter.net>, <******[at]ptd.net>, <********[at]juno.com>, <**[at]aol.com> Subject: 3 Results of Rehearsal on May 16. Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: <*[at]ptd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "Dave Reese" <****[at]ptd.net> First of all, I want to let you know that my email provider is contacting me that AOL is marking the Summer Harmony emails as spam. It could be because of the number of AOL addresses on one of the two lists I have been using, but PennTeleData says it also could be that someone using AOL accidentally marked one of the emails I sent as spam, and now every email I send is flagged. All AOL users, please check your blocked senders list and see if ********[at]ptd.net appears on the list, or if my name is there. If so, please delete me from that list for the sake of the others on the list. This situation has forced me to rewrite the email address lists I had been using. I had the group's email addresses in two mailing lists to keep the number of names below 55. Now they want me to limit emails to 10 addresses, so there will be 9 mailing lists, and I will need to send the same email 9 times to get it to all. Your help will be appreciated before PennTeleData shuts down my email rights. Constant emailings of to 50+ addresses at a time would make my address look like a spam-meister. I will be trying a few other tricks to avoid problems with my email account, so you will find your groups number leading off the subject line. This is another attempt to not trigger spam software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek T Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 at first sight, seems to be nothing to do with SpamCop: that IP not listed, take it up with AOL, good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turetzsr Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Hi, trpted! Help me please I got this e-mail saying, his e-mail was blocked. Can you tell me why?<snip> blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net. 550 Blocked for abuse. Please contact the administrator of your ISP or sending mail service. Any ideas why? Dave <snip> 30245[/snapback] ...Do I understand correctly that this "Dave" person wrote to you and received this bounce message? If so, then I think you'll have to ask your e-mail provider why this happened. If the blocked message is to be believed, your e-mail provider is using a blocklist called blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net (which, incidentally, has nothing to do with SpamCop -- not that you posted anything that implies that you believe otherwise) and that the outgoing e-mail server whose IP address is 204.186.29.136, through which Dave's e-mail was sent by his provider, is on that list (perhaps because a spammer also sent e-mail through that machine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trpted Posted July 14, 2005 Author Share Posted July 14, 2005 at first sight, seems to be nothing to do with SpamCop: that IP not listed, take it up with AOL, good luck! 30246[/snapback] What about http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=204.186.29.16 ? Volume Statistics for this IP Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average Last day 4.2 53% Last 30 days 4.3 129% Average 4.0 Is this why the e-mail is being marked as spam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turetzsr Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 What about http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=204.186.29.16 ? Volume Statistics for this IP Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average Last day 4.2 53% Last 30 days 4.3 129% Average 4.0 Is this why the e-mail is being marked as spam? 30248[/snapback] ...That's possible (or, at least, a symptom of the fact that spam is beng sent through that IP address). Only the owner(s) of blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net would know for certain. ...Interesting results here: Google Groups search for abuse from 204.186.*.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trpted Posted July 14, 2005 Author Share Posted July 14, 2005 ...That's possible (or, at least, a symptom of the fact that spam is beng sent through that IP address). Only the owner(s) of blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net would know for certain. ...Interesting results here: Google Groups search for abuse from 204.186.*.* 30249[/snapback] If so, then I think you'll have to ask your e-mail provider why this happened. How would I contant them? What is there e-mail address? What should I ask them / tell them? http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=blacklist...1&cop=&ei=UTF-8 This one is interesting to me http://obri.net/att/blacklist.html. As you read the correspondence going back and forth you can see AT&T Worldnet's postion and some "false postives." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Betsy Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Dave seems to be sending a newsletter to some friends that is getting big enough that he may have to research best mailing practices. When you do contact your ISP (I would start with who ever you can for help), you want to remember that without whatever blocklist that they are using, you would be getting a lot more spam. You may be able to whitelist (as Dave suggested) Dave's newsletter. However, it is Dave, the *sender*, who should be doing the work to make sure that his newsletter is being delivered if he is sending to email addresses that are no longer good or sending from an ISP who does not control spammers or trojans. Miss Betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jank1887 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 However, it is Dave, the *sender*, who should be doing the work to make sure that his newsletter is being delivered if he is ... sending from an ISP who does not control spammers or trojans.30271[/snapback] And in that case his 'work' should involve threatening the ISP with taking his business elsewhere, as they are not making a good faith effort to provide the services specified in his contract with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff G. Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 The upshot of http://obri.net/att/blacklist.html and other correspondence appears to be that a network administrator (one of the people responsible for the IP Address blocked by blacklist.mail.ops.worldnet.att.net or blacklist.sequoia.ops.asp.att.net, which could be the person to whom an ISP has assigned a static or semi-static IP Address) should email abuse_rbl<at>att.net asking for removal, preferably detailing anti-spam methods already in place to protect the Internet (and therefore AT&T and its customers) from any spammers trying to use that IP Address, and wait up to a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turetzsr Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 How would I contant them? <snip> 30251[/snapback] ...If you'd care to reveal your e-mail provider, that would help us answer your question.... <g> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trpted Posted July 15, 2005 Author Share Posted July 15, 2005 ...If you'd care to reveal your e-mail provider, that would help us answer your question.... <g> 30286[/snapback] SSL Connection to AT&T (worldnet.att.net / att.net) from pool-*.phil.east.verizon.net (DSL service) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turetzsr Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 ...If you'd care to reveal your e-mail provider, that would help us answer your question.... <g>SSL Connection to AT&T (worldnet.att.net / att.net) from pool-70-110-*-*.phil.east.verizon.net (DSL service) 30294[/snapback] ...Would any of the information at AT&T: Contact Us be of use in answering your question as to how to contact your e-mail provider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Betsy Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 And in that case his 'work' should involve threatening the ISP with taking his business elsewhere, as they are not making a good faith effort to provide the services specified in his contract with them. 30275[/snapback] If he is using 'best practices', absolutely!! And it is 'his' problem, not the people receiving his emails. Only the *sender* can do anything about spam. Miss Betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trpted Posted July 15, 2005 Author Share Posted July 15, 2005 You may be able to whitelist (as Dave suggested) Dave's newsletter. ... 30271[/snapback] I am sorry that is not possible. The e-mail is being rejected on the server side. The closest possible thing to that is called "Safe List." The very serious downside to this is that be using it, "Only accept incoming messages from addresses on this list." (code REF) Reference http://help.att.net/docs/use/email/gen/prb...pc-email-manage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Betsy Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I am sorry that is not possible. The e-mail is being rejected on the server side. The closest possible thing to that is called "Safe List." The very serious downside to this is that be using it, "Only accept incoming messages from addresses on this list." (code REF) Reference http://help.att.net/docs/use/email/gen/prb...pc-email-manage 30302[/snapback] I was only trying to be fair (and helpful) - IMHO, whitelists are a nuisance and that the *sender* should be the one to ensure that hir email is able to be received at the server level without any action on the part of the receiver. However, the *sender* should not have to be aware of spam filter content rules, simply that s/he is using an IP address that is not known for sending spam and that s/he is using best practices if mailing to a large list. IMHO, all spam filters except blocklists are worse than the spam itself as far as making email a useful tool. Miss Betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trpted Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Updated info on the magnitude of these IP Addresses from senderbase.org 204.186.29.16 Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average Last day 4.4 68% Last 30 days 4.3 26% Average 4.2 204.186.29.136 Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average Last day 4.3 -33% Last 30 days 4.4 -28% Average 4.5 From thread http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,14271389 Where it says I got a new message. Is it a chain letter? If so, what should I say to the person who sent it? 204.186.29.149 Magnitude Vol Change vs. Average Last day 4.3 2342% Last 30 days 3.8 562% Average 3.0 Why his chain letter went through ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaypoli Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 I am blocked from all AOL senders too. I have no idea why. Could it be that I always bounce my spam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff G. Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 I am blocked from all AOL senders too. I have no idea why. Could it be that I always bounce my spam?36304[/snapback] Yes, it very well could be. The vast majority of the spam you are bouncing is going to the forged From or SMTP Sender address (depending on how you bounce). These are misdirected bounces that you are sending. Misdirected bounces should be avoided by using 500-series errors during the SMTP transaction. Such misdirected bounces are now considered abusive and reportable by SpamCop per the "Messages which may be reported" section of On what type of email should I (not) use SpamCop? and the Misdirected bounces section of Why are auto-responders (and delayed bounces) bad?. Please stop sending misdirected bounces. Once you have stopped sending misdirected bounces, please call the AOL Postmaster Hotline at 1-888-212-5537 so that the AOL Postmaster Team, which is available 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, can work with you to quickly resolve the issue. Additional information is available at the AOL Postmaster Web Site: http://postmaster.info.aol.com/ Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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