kpbuckeye Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 when i go to spamcop from the link in my e-mail notification, i scroll down to where the boxes should be, ie next to where the violaters ipadress are. there are no boxes or choices to make. i then hit the submit buttoon and on the nex page i get this message /dev/null'ing report for mole[at]devnull.spamcop.net is this an error? are the spam notifications getting sent? any help would be greatly apperciated. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WB8TYW Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 You appear to have signed up with a MOLE account. ISPs do not get notified of every MOLE submission, just a sumary of reports. There is a FAQ entry about MOLE accounts and why they are different. Someone may post a link as a followup. I prefer the normal account. As I seem to get the same spams over and over again, there does not seem to be much listwashing going on with a munged account. In general, almost all of my spam is from open proxies, and I would prefer the owner of the network that is on the open proxy get notified as soon as possible about the problem with as much details as they need. The web hosts seem to be on providers that none of my main postmasters will accept e-mail from. -John Personal Opinion Only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpbuckeye Posted March 14, 2004 Author Share Posted March 14, 2004 so what i am doing is pretty much usless? i guess i have to pay to get them forwarded on to the correct parties??? thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourbuddy Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 If you pay, that would really be useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WB8TYW Posted March 14, 2004 Share Posted March 14, 2004 With spamcop.net there are two types of free accounts, mole and normal with the reporter's name/e-mail address replaced with a tracker that is traceable only by spamcop.net. The tracker also allows the ISP(s) that receives the spam report to contact the reporter if they think the report is in error. According to other reports, to convert a mole account to a free account means abandonding the mole account and signing up for a new free account. Paid members have the option of sending unmunged reports only. The munging in spamcop is to guard against ISPs that do not act on abuse reports and forward them to the spammers for the spammer to listwash (remove complainers). In this case the ISP is not enforcing their terms of use, just pretending to. And in some cases it has been reported by various people on usenet that spammers will retaliate against spam reporters that they can identify. With so many spamcop.net reporters now, retailation is by spammers is basically useless, so most will not bother. It is my guess is that the mole option was in response to the ISPs that are knowingly harboring spammers, even though they publically claim to be against spam. The spammers put ID codes in to identify complainers with the idea that they can get around the spamcop.net elementary munging of the I.D. codes. While those spammers may be able to get around the spamcop.net DNSbl, they generally end up listed by spamhaus.org. The spamcop.net DNSbl is a quick trigger of a potential spam problem with an I.P. address. And use of it as a primary spam block can occasionally cause real e-mails to be rejected or tagged as spam. Other DNSbls wait to list until a spam sending I.P. is confirmed to either be a compromised computer, or effectively controlled by a spammer. I would really recommend anyone new to spamcop.net really look over the FAQs and what spamcop.net is doing. It is not an automatic cure all, and while it will do a lot of the work for you on locating and reporting a spam source, it is still a tool that requires you to pay attention to what it is doing and where the reports are going. If your mail server is not setting the proper e-mail headers, or you have a client side spam/virus filter that does not maintain proper e-mail headers, you can end up reporting your own mail server by mistake. And if it is a small enough operation, it could result in it getting listed on the spamcop.net blocking list. -John Personal Opinion Only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpbuckeye Posted March 16, 2004 Author Share Posted March 16, 2004 thanks guys!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpamCopAdmin Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 report for mole[at]devnull.spamcop.net When you signed up, you elected to register as a "Mole," which means you want to remain totally anonymous. Your complaints feed our stats and blocking list database, but no reports are sent out. You can change your status by re-registering your address and deselecting the "Mole" option. http://www.spamcop.net/anonsignup.shtml - Don - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazoo Posted March 16, 2004 Share Posted March 16, 2004 Don, Has that actually been fixed? It hasn't come up in a long while, but in the past, this just didn't work .. one would have to start all over with a different e-mail address to get back to a non-mole status. The flag just would not go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpamCopAdmin Posted March 22, 2004 Share Posted March 22, 2004 Has that actually been fixed? What happens when you try it? - Don - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpbuckeye Posted March 23, 2004 Author Share Posted March 23, 2004 I ended up just abandoning the first and sighned up for a non mole acct. although i sent several reports to the system several hours ago and have gotten nothing. is the system down or just slow? thanks for the help everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dra007 Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 I reported several today as mole and never got the reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazoo Posted March 23, 2004 Share Posted March 23, 2004 Has that actually been fixed? What happens when you try it? - Don - Per all the previous traffic over in the newsgroups, once the "mole flag was set" the only way out of it was to abandon the associated e-mail account and register with another e-mail account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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