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    captcha problem on registering

    in SpamCop Reporting Help

    Posted

    On 7/12/2023 at 1:27 PM, ninth said:

    Try your luck at signal spam

    I always report on Signal-spam along with Spamcop for a long time.

    But …

    Signal-spam is mostly a French centred organisation.

    Are you telling me that the arrogant natural tendency of French people (I have French nationality) to believe that France is the center of the world is actually justified, at least about spam-fighting? 😁😃😂

    captcha problem on registering

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    Posted · Edited by Gingko

    Which system? Which version?
    Seems to work on Linux, for example.

    Anyway, the number of configuration cases where it doesn't work seems to be largely higher than the working cases.

    You should ask yourself why.

    It is the Spamcop responsibility to ensure it works in ALL (reasonably expectable) cases.
    And it is NOT the responsibility of users to dig in the mud in order to find a working case for them.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    6 hours ago, ninth said:

    The computer system that needs fixing is yours Gingko with the help of telco and ISP as nobody else has the access.

    It is just necessary to try to register on Spamcop from scratch.
    Tested on several browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari) on several computers and operating systems (Windows 10, Mac OS, Android).

    I have only found a few browsers on Linux (like Firefox 102.10.0esr on Linux Debian 11) so far that seem to escape this captcha problem.

    I am sure that users of such configurations will be delighted to learn that they are among the only ones who can still create a Spamcop account without using unexpected workarounds.

    And I have always been impressed by the astonishing ability of some people to place themselves in denial in the face of the most obvious things.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted · Edited by Gingko

    24 minutes ago, ninth said:

    They do and the app is in production not development and the last maintenance work was scheduled March 2023 see announcements.

    Which announcements ? Here ?

    Ok.

    Will see if it makes any changes to the captcha registering problem.
    This is now my main clue.

    But I have some doubts.

    “    The last of our changes to our SpamCop mail servers”
    “    This should not affect the SpamCop website.”

    You know what I mean?
     

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted

    2 hours ago, ninth said:

    We all have busy lives and SC is flat out 24/7 fighting the good fight:

    https://www.spamcop.net/spamgraph.shtml?spamstats

    You are barking up the wrong tree expecting a forum to fix your multitude of IT problems. The main purpose is to discuss anti-spam and SC email issues and to develop a comprehensive library of knowledge for research eg have you looked up forgery on here, also relevant email forgery. This subject is well covered.

    Initially, I was only looking for arguments or resources that I could use to be able to tell OVH that they can't just be so casual as to ask me not to use Spamcop.

    But the discussion then evolved to question the problems with the management of mailhosts as well as the near impossibility for anyone to create a new Spamcop account due to the fact that the registration captcha had been designed to work with Internet Explorer, and that the disappearance of this navigator as well as the concomitant evolution of other navigators made the passage of this captcha become an obstacle course, requiring the use of the workaround mentioned above.

    At this point, communication with the Spamcop development team would have seemed clearly necessary.

    But the only existing resource that seems to exist for this seems to be this page, which only has 2 (possibly) email addresses related to this, and possibly (indirectly) a few other ways that aren't much better:

    My own experience of this type of communication, combined with the very long age of this page, as well as the almost anecdotal maintenance of the site for a very, very long time, leads me to think that it is not even worthwhile for me to try to settle the problems using these email addresses. I'll likely never get any answer … and even if I get one, I'll probably still have to fight against a huge will not to acknowledge the problems.

    I would have expected that at least some members of the development team follow this forum (or part of this forum), and be ready to intervene when it seems necessary.

    When developers don't WANT to communicate, they know very well how not to communicate.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted · Edited by Gingko

    3 hours ago, ninth said:

    Did you try this?

    OVH was sent reports in all tracking URLs above but other reports were sent to serverpronto UCLA Halo-group cloudflare and akamai. The spam is being sent from different IP addresses each time and they are all blacklisted. If you research all the IPs you can manually report abuse. 

    The problem is that this would need that I'd spend 10 minutes on each spam by analysing all of them myself …

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    15 hours ago, RobiBue said:

    Usually it works fine, but oftentimes I have noticed, and keep repeating it, that when mailhosts are set up, the system sometimes acts up and stops somewhere in between. Probably because something changed which is out of our (our used loosely) control (like the OVH MX) and could have been changed by the provider due to new IP# allocation or other reasons. Then you have to run the mailhost setup again, but if you don't know something changed, and they won't inform you because they don't think you'd be affected, you might end up "reporting yourself" or your provider.

    When Spamcop send a report, this report has a subject like the following :

    “[SpamCop (52.128.42.65) id:7271670813]SBA Saturdae”

    With the spammer's IP or advertising link (determined by Spamcop), the report id and the spam subjects all included in that subject.

    The same data (determined by Spamcop) is also included in the report's text.

    For all cases that I quoted in the beginning of this thread, I have the message sent by my hosting provider (OVH) informing me that “I am a spammer”, and containing a copy of the corresponding report.

    In none of these cases, any IP address or domain name belonging to me was quoted in the Spamcop's reports subjects. This implies that OVH has not taken any account of the information given by Spamcop, and that they analysed themselves the spam headers following their own understandings.

    And actually my server's IP was not visible in any of these spams either.
    There was only my server's domain name (kim8.reeves.fr), always in position “Received by”, that they must submit to a DNS server in order to get the IP.

    To me, this implies a huge lack of intellectual faculties.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted

    54 minutes ago, RobiBue said:

    unfortunately, that is true, and if I look at my bug list with mozilla, there are bugs that have been there for more than 13 years (one I have been following that I can't fix has been there for almost 14 years - 4 months shy) and there are others which are even older with wontfix status... yeah, I know what you mean...
    On the other hand, captchas are somewhat useless, as AI is strarting to abuse those "human" checks, and google abused the captchas to create their own free word reader... I can explain further if there is any interest... heck, here's a youtube link that will explain what I mean.

    As the bug concerns the registration of any Spamcop's new account, this doesn't give a good expectation for the future of Spamcop itself.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    43 minutes ago, RobiBue said:

    1) I understand that: "Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider"

    2) from my understanding, it wasn't the subject but the way that spamcop parsed the spam email and the way the received headers are inserted:

    again, the parser stopped at 51.195.100.62
    Possible forgery. Supposed receiving system not associated with any of your mailhosts
    which was the next received line "by mail.key-consulting.tech (Postfix)" and therein lies the problem I am trying to explain.
     

    3) “Possible forgery. Supposed receiving system not associated with any of your mailhosts Will not trust this Received line” is exactly what I'm trying to describe.

    I am simply trying to help, not point fingers or accuse of anything, just point out the reason a) why the parse failed to correctly get the source, and b) why I do not use mailhosts setup.

     

    I do understand that, and again, it seems like everybody is talking around in circles.
    My point is that if mailhosts are not set up correctly (and it only requires a simple change by your provider to mess it up if it was set up right) the parser is likely to have you report yourself as spam source, which, of course, you probably are not — unless your system was compromised.

    Of course, but :

    1. My mailhosts was correctly recognised as I can read “kim0.reeves.fr received mail from sending system 51.195.100.62” - kim0.reeves.fr was the name given to this mailhost, this is the name of my first generation server given maybe 10 years ago, Spamcop couldn't know it if the mailhost was not identified.
    2. 136.169.211.136 is not associated with any of my mailhosts, this is normal as 136.169.211.136 is the spammer, it doesn't have to be associated with any of my mailhosts.
      It doesn't look like a forgery either, if I type dig -x 136.169.211.136 in a Linux command line, I truly get 136.169.211.136.dynamic.ufanet.ru as the reverse DNS of that IP.

    51.195.100.62 (reverse DNS mail.key-consulting.tech), just seems to be an intermediary relay (also hosted by OVH) not belonging to me.
    I suppose that this relay is either open, either related to the spammer in some manner.

    If I open mail.key-consulting.tech in a browser, I get a “Web Server's Default Page” suggesting a new hosting account never configured to do anything.

    And if you “do not use mailhosts setup”, what do you do instead ?

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted

    21 minutes ago, petzl said:

    Thanks must of missed some posts
    I occasionally get sometime signing into my Bank I then do it with Edge and seem problem solved?

    I never said that the problem was solved.
    It's just a workaround which can be used for a problem that lasts for at least 5 years, and that Spamcop didn't fix for at least 5 years.
    Nevertheless the very nature of this workaround gives a good indication about how Spamcop should fix it.
    The problem will be solved when Spamcop will have changed its registration page, allowing it to work with any browser, of course.
    But unfortunately, my experience is that if a bug is not fixed for 5 years, it means that nobody cares about this bug, thus it will never be fixed.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    7 hours ago, RobiBue said:

    Personally I maintain that if your mailhosts are set up correctly, you shouldn't have to list them to report spam. somehow SC, in my past experience, has had problems with registered mailhosts, especially when something changed...
    Without mailhost registration I rarely had problems reporting and when someone has mailhosts set up and has trouble, I run the same spam parse, but without the mailhosts, and it reports the correct sender, at least it has so far...
    That is, IMNSHO, the crux of the matter.

    The initial subject was not about mailhosts.

    And even if the subject seems however to have indirectly raised certain problems related to mailhosts, these problems do not seem to have at any time indicated that I was the author of the spams which I reported.

    On some occasions spam analysis showed messages like “Possible forgery. Supposed receiving system not associated with any of your mailhosts Will not trust this Received line” (which I don't quite understand, since each time the mailhost, which is almost always my own mail server, was registered), but none of these analyzes produced a report indicating explicitly that the origin of the spam was me.

    It is the OVH company which seems to have decided that, in a totally uncorrelated manner with, in particular, the IP address indicated in the report's subject.

    Now I continue to submit mails to OVH.

    But each time I see OVH in the report to be sent, I add the following in the “Additional notes” field (actually in French, here translated):
     

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    Instructions for the Abuse OVH department:
    Please note that the server kim8.reeves.fr (visible in the headers) is the RECIPIENT server of this spam.
    Please do not confuse it with that of the spammer, mistake which you have already committed several times recently.

     

    captcha problem on registering

    in SpamCop Reporting Help

    Posted · Edited by Gingko

    On 6/23/2023 at 11:01 PM, Anna said:

    I just have solved with Edge Browser (Chromium Based) in Windows 10

    using the option "reloading the page in Microsoft Internet Explorer mode"

    the captcha image appeared and the registering process finally worked.


    This is the easy solution for non expert users.

    Thank you for this answer.
    It effectively works, and I successfully created a (second) account that way.

    And believed it or not, even having reported this, there are people here, you report this problem, you tell them that you tried your solution and that it works, they still don't want to believe it, nor even to try it.

    (follow this link)

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted · Edited by Gingko

     

    4 hours ago, petzl said:

    Have you tried latest Microsoft Edge and got past the CAPTCHA?
    Everyone so-far except you have reported it works?
    Have then you set-up another SpamCop account  without mailhosts being set-up, to try to correct spam reports from going to wrong source of spam?

    No one knows these answers except you?
     

    YES, I tried latest Microsoft Edge (in Internet Explorer mode, following the instructions found at the very end of this other topic [<- there is a link there] in this very same forum that you don't even want to read despite this is the THIRD time that I quote it for you in THIS thread), and I got past the CAPTCHA THIS WAY.

    “Everyone so-far except you have reported it works?” ??
    NO, someone in this very same forum [<- there is a link there] already reported it in this very same forum in a topic that you don't even want to read, so I found the topic, then I read the topic, then I followed the instructions recently given at the very end of that topic, then IT WORKED.

    YES, I set-up another SpamCop account (THAT WAY) without mailhosts being set-up, to try to correct spam reports from going to wrong source of spam.

    “No one knows these answers except you?” ??
    NO, someone in this very same forum [<- there is a link there] already reported it in this very same forum in a topic that you don't even want to read, so I found the topic, then I read the topic, then I followed the instructions recently given at the very end of that topic, then IT WORKED.


    I normally never use Microsoft Edge in common life.

    And last but not least, this is also an off topic subject.
    The initial subject was about OVH identifying the spams that I reported as originated by myself.

    One ISP, many mailhosts

    in Mailhost Configuration of your Reporting Account

    Posted

    Hello.

    I just realised that I have a problem with my mailhosts registering.
    Among multiple email addresses that I have, some of them are hosted by the SFR French ISP.
    Of course, I made mailhost registration for all of them.
    But this ISP has many mailhosts.
    Among all of them, there are the following already registered by SpamCop:

    msfrf2102.sfr.fr
    msfrf2103.sfr.fr
    msfrf2119.sfr.fr
    msfrf2121.sfr.fr
    msfrf2123.sfr.fr
    msfrf2201.sfr.fr
    msfrf2203.sfr.fr
    msfrf2204.sfr.fr
    msfrf2209.sfr.fr
    msfrf2211.sfr.fr
    msfrf2214.sfr.fr
    msfrf2224.sfr.fr
    msfrf2302.sfr.fr
    msfrf2304.sfr.fr
    msfrf2319.sfr.fr
    msfrf2401.sfr.fr
    msfrf2417.sfr.fr
    msfrf2503.sfr.fr
    msfrf2506.sfr.fr
    msfrf2602.sfr.fr
    msfrf2605.sfr.fr
    msfrf2606.sfr.fr
    msfrf2608.sfr.fr
    msfrf2609.sfr.fr
    msfrf2611.sfr.fr
    msfrf2614.sfr.fr
    msfrf2618.sfr.fr
    msfrf2619.sfr.fr
    msfrf2621.sfr.fr
    msfrf2622.sfr.fr
    msfrf2625.sfr.fr
    msfrf2626.sfr.fr
    msfrf2627.sfr.fr
    msfrf2628.sfr.fr
    msfrf2629.sfr.fr
    msfrf2631.sfr.fr
    msfrf2633.sfr.fr
    msfrf2634.sfr.fr
    msfrf2635.sfr.fr
    msfrf2636.sfr.fr
    msfrf2637.sfr.fr
    msfrf2639.sfr.fr
    msfrf2641.sfr.fr

    That is, 43 different mailhosts.
    With many holes in their numbering, suggesting that many of them are still missing.
    I just received a spam on one of these addresses telling there is a mailhost problem.
    The mailhost used was msfrf2612.sfr.fr.
    Not in the above list.

    If I try registering this mailhost again, the “[SpamCop] account configuration email” seems to travel randomly through only one of them.
    This means that I'd have to try to register this ISP maybe 50 times (or more) before having only a 50% probability to add msfrf2612.sfr.fr to this list.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted · Edited by Gingko

    14 hours ago, petzl said:

    It's already supposedly concluded the problem with the CAPTCHA is your browser?
    Surprisingly Microsoft browser works? 

    This is not “supposedly concluded”.
    This is verified.
    Not only by myself.
    By other members also.
    See here:
    forum.spamcop.net/topic/29780-captcha-problem-on-registering/

    And anyway, if you don't believe it, you just have to try.

    As I said before :
    It works only in Microsoft Edge, only if I select the Internet Explorer mode.
    If you remember well about 10 or 20 years ago, Internet Explorer was very well known to have its very own conception of HTML standards.
    Now Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox do not have an Internet Explorer mode.

     

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    9 hours ago, ninth said:

    Are you running these free services for your business? If yes they are the least secure on the market:

    No, I am not running any business.
    I just host some non profit organisations, or hobby web sites for myself and a few geeks.
    And actually, Yahoo and Hotmail are very secondary old emails that I rarely use, and GMail relates to my family by conservatorship for one, and temporarily inherited management for another.

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, ninth said:

    I use the latest system available and had no problems with registration etc.

    This is a free service so you are getting what you pay for and if you are not paying for the product, you are the product. The forum is 101 help yourself and each other  with FAQ and keyword search function and the admin are unpaid. Complaints are no-reply this return address is not monitored.

    I recommend that you get familiar with the raw message version of the spam and checkout the SC reports because the latest generation of code is practically written in english and you will learn more over time.

    If you need technical support use a paid email service such as SC mail which provides anti-spam and secure messaging.

    Ok.

    How can I access the “latest system available” on which I'd have no problems with registration?

    How can I have access to all items quoted in red, as I suppose that they are not available in the free service?

    I want to continue using all emails hosted on my server, is there a paid service for that?

    Reported spam identified as originated from myself by hosting provider

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    Posted

    9 hours ago, petzl said:

    This seems to be continually being mentioned. Nothing being done?

    This problem seems to last for at least 5 years.

    Following this thread:

    … I finally successfully registered a new account following this protocol:

    1. Using the Microsoft Edge browser.
    2. Switch it to Internet Explorer mode.

    To me, it looks like this is the result of general improvements in the HTML/CSS standards implemented in recent browsers, which were not followed by updates in the SpamCop server's HTML coding.

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