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  1. I don't think so. POP usually only grabs new mail out of the main inbox. I don't think it knows how to deal with old mail or folders. AFAIK. That stuff is what IMAP was made for. EDIT: Oops, I see gmail can import old mail using POP3. Well, I haven't fooled with POP for a while now, so my advice isn't worth too much on that. So a more correct answer to your question might be; depends on where you want to POP it to (which you haven't said). I don't know if the apple mail app can scoop up your old mail via POP; perhaps it can via a settings tweak (I"m far away from my mac right now, couldn't tell ya). I do know for a fact IMAP will get everything. Spamcop wiki linked at the top of this page will get you started. Google is your friend. Or fiend, as the case may be. http://forum.spamcop.net/scwik/IMAP
  2. Depends on where you want to move it to. More than one email service that can directly import your current spamcop folders has been discussed in the "Spamcop Alternatives?" topic in this forum, and also see "Is there some way to export whole folders?..." topic. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14275 http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3411 I'm now using pobox.com, they have an an "import" function which can duplicate all your current spamcop folders and pull in the messages. All they need are the spamcop IMAP server name and your log in credentials. This worked flawlessly for me, although if you have a lot of email it will take a while. Some other vendors offer this type of thing as well. Again, I suggest you see the above mentioned thread. HORDE is a web-based email client that runs on a web server in "cloud" territory, so that you may access it from generic web browsers. Not something you'd run on a mac. I have a mac and for years have used the apple's standard mail app, using IMAP to sync up with all my spamcop folders. I can't think of anything it doesn't do that HORDE does, and it does it all faster. I have verified that all mail in all folders is already duplicated on my mac, meaning when I stop IMAP polling of spamcop servers, all the mail is still duplicated on the mac hard drive as of the last poll. I intend to leave it there, at least for a while. The key is to stop syncing IMAP with spamcop after you have set up spamcop forwarding to your new email, but before they get close to shutting down the spamcop email (to minimize the risk of possibly syncing to empty spamcop folders, should it happen in that order - which is unlikely but hey...) Should you get a new email provider who does not offer the "import" function, if you set up mail app to use IMAP you should still be able to copy/drag email from the old (at this point off-line) spamcop folders to your new service's folders. There might be a better way to do that, but off the top of my head that should still work. It'll take a LONG time as all that stored email will have to squeeze through your upload pipe. Again the question is "back up to where?" See all the above and suggested threads. I don't, but there's always "consultants" waiting to take your money... This isn't what you want to hear, but I encourage you to give alternatives like fastmail or pobox a try. I didn't try fastmail. Pobox.com is missing a few spamcop features but it wasn't a deal killer for me. I've detailed them in the "alternatives" topic. Wish I could do more for ya...
  3. Regarding spamcop SMTP In my case, I had been using spamcop SMTP for years, until one day a few years back they shut off my access (and others I believe) without notice, about the time posts here were saying you now had to request it. At that time I found it easier to switch to an alternate SMTP facility, but in the last few months found that it (my alternate) was going away. SO, wrote to email support, asking to get my SMTP access re-enabled. They replied, in essence; "No.", with no explanation. Still steamed about the mail-shut off, but realizing that between the SMTP blow-off and the unreliable servers, I'm not going to be missing spamcop email much. I'll happily pass out a new email address. Will keep the SC forwarding on for as long as it's free, to catch the stragglers. The one bright spot in this is that my many and various registrations at different sites & mailing lists are all sneakemail.com forwarding addresses, which will be easy to re-direct in bulk to the new mailbox. Otherwise I'd be really steamed!
  4. More random guesses from me... Spamcop uses the Horde email platform for web mail. Obviously they've cobbled on extra things to that software, like the entire "SpamCop Tools" menu. My prediction is that the "SpamCop Tools" menu will survive, either as a stripped down Horde email client - with the email part removed, or as a stand alone control panel. Either way, same effect. It's a good question about greylisting, I have no idea how closely that is tied to the email hosting. My guess is; anything that works with forwarding now, could potentially still work once the hosting goes away. In any event, no one would use a mail forwarding service that did not allow you to easily change the forwarding target, so it's a given that it will be changeable. Likely the all the filtering controls will survive too. E.g.; you really need to be able to administer a white list when using aggressive email filtering. The bigger question, as others have asked; now that we know for sure there will be no more VER page, what happens to spam-filtered email? If it just disappears - well that's another thing that's not good for those using aggressive filtering. Hopefully the "Tag Only" option would remain, allowing you to handle treatment of spam tagged email down the line from spamcop filtering. IMHO, it really sucks that we are left to play guessing games about this stuff. Bad enough to have the service abandoned; the least they could do is be SPECIFIC about the above, the forwarding subscription fee, refunds, etc. Sigh... EDIT 8/12/14: Well the announcement on the other thread regarding filtering has proven my above guesses to be worse than random; they're wrong. I didn't think things would get worse but, ta-da! They did.
  5. I could rant and rail about any number of things related to this, but topping the list is what has already been mentioned; what is the deal now? Is it $30 a year just for the forwarding? (rip off) ...or is the forwarding going to be less? ...will there be pro-rated refunds for those of us who will have no more use for the spamcop.net address? It's inexcusable that these things were not addressed in the notice. For peat's sake, the existing, doomed email service is still offered on the spamcop site. - What the hell? I don't see any reference to that. The notice I got says "...you will continue to be able to submit spam to SpamCop via the "Report spam" feature [i.e. the "Report spam" tab] on spamcop.net, or forward your spam...", and neither of those things is VER [the "Held Email" tab]. Keep in mind that the contents of the VER page is loaded (I believe) via IMAP from the mailbox held mail folder. To me, this suggests that VER will disappear along with the mailbox. Oh yes, by all means; blame the victims!
  6. Is there an update on this? My aunt is still having problems sending to live.com This started at the same time as the hotmail et al. blocking, so I assumed it was part of the same issue. munged bounce message follows: Thanks...
  7. Excellent. That was what I was waiting for. So far SC greylisting has been kicking spamass on my aunt's account. This is a happy thing as she's UNhappy about each one that leaks through. So far, none have made it past greylisting to face the regular old filters. No problems with false positives (albeit it's set up throughly whitelisted, so not the most rigorous test). I probably won't be using it as I like the fun of reporting (of course it's only "fun" 'cause my volume has been low). Good to know it's available when needed. Anyway, just wanted to say thanks very much and good work. Larry
  8. A couple of work-arounds: From the "better than nothing" department... Resuming whitelist page after deleting an entry Simple; use your browser's "back" button. Returns you to the whitelist page you just deleted from. I do not have to refresh when doing this, your browser may vary. Deleting a page at a time See this page of Form Bookmarklets, specifically the one named "toggle checkboxes". It toggles the state of each checkbox on a page. Lots of other goodies here too. And uh, speaking as someone who's been bitched at upon offering work-around suggestions for living with systems that need improvement and which I do not control... Let me just say in advance to any such gripers; bite me. And by all means, do continue to suffer. And oh yeah... that whitelist thing really needs some work. Where's the "whitelist every address in my webmail address book feature"? Feh.
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