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hi,

just wondering do these spamvertised domains or more importantly perhaps the destination spamvertised domains ever get suspended or closed down?

I am not referring solely to spamcops involvement.

Or is it too insubstantial leagally that it has been spamvertised (directly in spam emails or via redirect mechanism on another website) to deem it as having breached the T&Cs of the domain registrar?

I am guessing no here.

eg:

towardown.com

has been spamvertised on loads of live.com pages recently.

I do not know if the website is illegal or not, however it is very likely that the spam operations and the website operation are one and the same or very closely related. So perhaps removing the website may mean that the spam may stop.

http://www.spamhaus.org/faq/answers.lasso?...c+Questions#127

kind of answers the question.

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I do see some success in reporting redirectors to blogging services (they sometimes call these "bots"). This is certainly helpful but the response is neither immediate nor complete, and it is very easy for the spammers to dig up new redirectors.

The "real" (unredirected) websites are a tough nut, particularly if the spammers use botnet resources for hosting/redirection and DNS. The phenomenon is so diffuse that it is very difficult for even a lot of complaints to have much effect. ISPs aren't fast about cleaning up or blocking bots, crooked DNS providers and botnet-based DNS are hard to deal with, and domain registrars are reluctant to shut down domains for spamming even given clear proof that the registrars are acting in bad faith (in fact, many registrars are just flat-out crooked).

Just lately I am inundated with spam where the spammers use jackleg URL shortening sites for redirection. These sites have sprouted like weeds since the rise of twitter et. al. and those who set them up, even if well intentioned, often don't publish contact addresses or abuse reporting procedures. It doesn't help that many people (including Google) are giving away the software to run these, so the users put themselves in the internet service business without exercising due care or taking full responsibility for abuse of their resources by spammers.

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Hi,

Well, I can't say for all, but I had a good spat with one of the top three registrars in the world over a pedo pornography site that was spammed a few years back.... they were willing to defend to the death that person's right to have the domain they registered!

Then other guys (usually the smaller registrars), all I had to do was send a copy of the spam and it was cancelled within 24H.

So, depends on the registrar.

Cheers!

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Well, I can't say for all, but I had a good spat with one of the top three registrars in the world over a pedo pornography site that was spammed a few years back.... they were willing to defend to the death that person's right to have the domain they registered!

Then other guys (usually the smaller registrars), all I had to do was send a copy of the spam and it was cancelled within 24H.

So, depends on the registrar.

Once porn is spammed it is going to children as well

Don't know any countries that consider this legal including the registrars that allow it

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to possibly carlify, network solutions (who I think are in charge of .com ultimately) can canel any .com domain with immediate effect? Or is there some sort of complication in that statement?

The actual answer typically gets into the Acceptable Use Policy as part of the various Hosting agreements between the parties involved, and the way that thy are actually enforced by the parties involved. In some case, it boild down to who has the better lawyer. In other cases, it boiled down to that that the Host was willing to put up with the complaints becuse the offender was actually willing to pay a dozen times the going rate for the bandwidth/services involved.

Typically, a Domain very rarely gets 'cancelled' ... Usually the DNS records are 'adjusted' to point elsewhere. Later down the road, one can typically find those 'adjusted Domains' on a these sites are available for a price list.

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The actual answer typically gets into the Acceptable Use Policy as part of the various Hosting agreements between the parties involved, and the way that thy are actually enforced by the parties involved. In some case, it boild down to who has the better lawyer. In other cases, it boiled down to that that the Host was willing to put up with the complaints becuse the offender was actually willing to pay a dozen times the going rate for the bandwidth/services involved.

Typically, a Domain very rarely gets 'cancelled' ... Usually the DNS records are 'adjusted' to point elsewhere. Later down the road, one can typically find those 'adjusted Domains' on a these sites are available for a price list.

yes the various AUPs etc would be the violated contracts/agreements - plus probably various laws.

I am guessing toplevel registrars can actually cancel domains - but that the changes take a little time to propergate (perhaps 24h) out to the internets.

will Network solutions take heed of notification of domains being in violation of network solutions' AUP?

is there any place on their website for therse sorts of domain complaints?

They seem to have a very crapulent registration system

for example a random search for "forbusinessandpersonal" shows the following:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3566/72971013.jpg

which shows the .cz, .ch, .co.uk and others as being registered - yet they are not.

They even 'allow' you to go so far as to place a back order bid with a minimum bid of $69 (at some place called namejet.com).

[Edit - img changed to link]

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