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Bouncing it Back: An Experiment.


Lodewijk
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Hi!

I have been playing with the idea to just get a new email address from my ISP to stop getting all that spam.

But what would happen then to all that spam I received before? It would be bounced back, right?

If that would be so, maybe by having my MailWasher -besides having it forwarded to SP- also bounce the spam back, the original source would get all these 'bounced back' messages. He might then think that it is but a trick and see it as a confirmation that my email address exists. But I don't see what difference that would make. Unless it would make him pass it on to others as a confirmed existing address.

But even if that would result in me getting more spam, maybe so much the better: I would have more to report to SP.

Yet it could also be that the spammer -if he would be the one to get the bounce back emails- believes the address doesn't exist (anymore) and deletes it. Or get fed up with all those bounce back messages, and only for that reason deletes my address.

I don't know how all that works. Maybe it would continue because I would get it forwarded from infected computers anyway...

I am willing to find out and play the guinea pig for this little experiment. If things would get out of hand, I can always change my email address.

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Interesting idea, but you want to be careful -- spammers practically never use their own e-mail addresses as return addresses, so they never receive bounces. Indeed, they usually forge other people's addresses into these fields, so it turns out that some poor guy who had nothing to do with the spam gets all the bounces.

-- rick

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maybe by having my MailWasher -besides having it forwarded to SP- also bounce the spam back, the original source would get all these 'bounced back' messages.
No, no, no. You shouldn't do that.

The "From" address on spam is virtually *ALWAYS* either fake or forged. Having MailWasher "bounce" the spam will send the bounce to the innocent bystander whose email is being forged. Very bad. You definitely don't want to do that.

On the other hand, changing your address so that your old, spam-infected email address is no longer valid, is a good idea. That way, when the spammer tries to send you his email, your ISP will reject it, which will cause the spammer to have to deal with the bounce.

- Don D'Minion - SpamCop Admin -

- service[at]admin.spamcop.net -

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Thank you both very much. No bouncing it is then.

Now it looks like I have to decide:

To stop getting those spam and malware emails by changing my address -and have the spammers dealing with the bounces- (attractive idea).

Or: continue to receive the unwanted emails, but also with reporting them to SP.

I'm sticking with the last option.

I don't mind spending 10 minutes 3 times a day to report all of it.

One more question:

I got the impression that Knujon-Coldrain are only interested in receiving spam with links to spamvertized sites, so that forwarding spam -or rather emails with only malware attachments like the UPS, DHL etc.- are not of interest to them: they can't do nothing with those.

Since I noticed that after logging in on SP I have to check

Re: Forwarded spam (User defined recipient)

To: nonregistered[at]coldrain.net (Notes)'

in order to have SP send it on to Knujon-Coldrain, and I can see which emails are the ones with links to spamvertised sites -the Viagra and Job offer kind- and which ones don't -the Money Transfer ones (only malware attachments)- would it make sense to only have the first kind forwarded to them?

(I mailded Knujon about this a few days ago, but no reply yet.)

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PS:

I just realized: turetzsr has already given me an answer to my last question (because my head was still spinning with all those terms and info I'm not familiar with, I had not recognized nor understood these few lines among it all, until just now a hunch nudged me to go back to it):

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turetzsr Aug 2 2011, 10:18 PM

Post #7

"...Actually, that's exactly what I do! Knujon reportedly is interested in e-mails that don't have spamvertized links: http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?...amp;#entry54871

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mshalperin Mar 11 2007, 01:26 PM

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"I forward all spam to KnuJon and let them sort it. Many have gif spamvertized sites that I don't have time to manually parse. Many others, such as stock bump and dump and fake diplomas, don't have spamvertized sites and KnuJon is interested them."

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Thank you all.

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PS:

I just realized: turetzsr has already given me an answer to my last question (because my poor head was still spinning with all those terms and info I'm not familiar with that I had not recognized and understood among it all):

<snip>

...Yes, on rare occasions my advice will turn out to be useful! :D <big g>

...For future reference, 'turetzsr' is just my login name -- 'Steve T' would be a preferable way to refer to me (or, "that worthless idiot, Steve T" :) <g>).

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Dear Steve T,

I vehemently refuse to acknowledge your 'self' description!

Not only because it is completely unjustified, but also... if even you would be that, then what must I not be...? :blush:

:D

Thank you for your knowledgeable help!

PS:

I will post the replies from rconner -rick for Richard C. Conner, P.E.- and Don D'Minion - SpamCop Admin, on the MailWasher forum under a thread I'll call 'Bouncing or Not Bouncing?'

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Dear Steve T,

I vehemently refuse to acknowledge your 'self' description!

<snip>

...Only because you haven't been here long enough to have seen my more inane posts. You'll learn as you see more! :) <g> But I appreciate your compliments.
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You're welcome.

One cannot compare oneself with what one knows not.

If it takes one to know one, comparing oneself to perfection can only be done when one knows what perfection is. And only perfection knows what perfection is, and would find itself imperfect if it would be under the impression that it was not what it is.

Does that mean that one is not really the imperfect being one seems to be?

Of course it does!

Let's not be deceived and contaminated by all the spam and malware messages our minds receive through our senses ... :D

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