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TO ALL THAT I HAVE OFFENDED.

I apologize I have been the cause of the rudeness.

All I knew is that my software worked very well until the time I stated, then I noticed some major changes with the SpamCOp site so I was linking the two together.

I see where the problem lies now, but I was reporting the spam in this very way before with no problem and then it started out of the blue about the time of the website changes.

I will remove myself from this forum and I will niether post nor bother anyone again.

I have corrected the issues with my software adn I still recieve the error.

I have gone in and manually changed to SpamCop friendly header info and it still comes back as no heasder info.

I suppose it is me and my ignorance of the system that is the problem.

God Bless you all and have a great day,

Einfaches

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you say you made changes. you say it didn't help, as you still get errors. What I don't see is another Tracking URL to allow "us" to see what else has gone wrong it you fixed everything pointed out before. You may call it rude, I call it "pointing out the obvious" ... if you want help, you need to allow us to "see" what's going on.

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TO ALL THAT I HAVE OFFENDED.

I apologize I have been the cause of the rudeness.

18685[/snapback]

...You are not the cause of any major rudeness, IMHO. You are simply being somewhat frustrating. We would very much like to help you but, as Wazoo has pointed out, you are not providing the key bit of information we need to be able to see what is really happening.

I suppose it is me and my ignorance of the system that is the problem.

18685[/snapback]

...Perhaps so, perhaps not. Both Wazoo and I have suggested a way to proceed that might help but you have either not tried what we have suggested or have not provided specific answers.

...Please consider that you may not be the only one having the problem but the only one reporting it, so if we can work together to solve the problem, it may help others besides you. And that would be a very good thing! :) <smile>

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***ABUSE REPORT MESSAGE IS ADDED AUTOMATICALLY HERE***

--begin full headers--

Return-Path: <Houghtaling.Terra[at]podofly.com>

Received: from podofly.com (unknown [66.110.72.42])

by mx1.gamebox.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C33010167

for <einfaches[at]gamebox.net>; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:45:14 +0000 (UTC)

Received: (qmail 15066 invoked by uid 501); 13 Oct 2004 15:28:28 -0000

Date: 13 Oct 2004 15:28:28 -0000

Message-ID: <20041013152828.15065.qmail[at]podofly.com>

From: "Terra Houghtaling" <Houghtaling.Terra[at]podofly.com>

To: einfaches[at]gamebox.net

Subject: they drink jizz

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will never have seen a bigger orgy of CUM LOVING WHORES.  They are covered in

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color=yellow face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:16.0pt;font-family:

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HARDCORE</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Don’t want any?  <a

href="http://www.podofly.com/optout/pelase/">http://www.podofly.com/optout/</a>

<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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will never have seen a bigger orgy of CUM LOVING WHORES.  They are covered in

CUM.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>

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This is what spam Inspector sends.

I deleted the parts about ***abuse report, ect................................***

and it still comes back with the "SpamCop is ready to process the email".

I then go to this URL:

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z682074259z39...cfa04e06140f64z

Then it shows the errors to have no header info.

then when I copy and paste the info into the form on the website it goes thru without any problems.

I scincerely hope this is more clear.

What inof should be removed from the spam Inspector header info to allow SpamCop to use it?

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...THAT looks like what we needed (although you didn't need to actually copy all the information off the web page into your message -- the URL was sufficient). Hopefully someone will be by shortly that will be able to provide you with some useful feedback.

...Thanks! :) <g>

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After cutting the info I thought would need to be cut this is the email I recieved back from SpamCop:

SpamCop is now ready to process your spam.

Use links to finish spam reporting (members use cookie-login please!):

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z682083315z40...537512f5e3dd2fz

18706[/snapback]

...Back on 10 October, Don (the SpamCop admin) replied:
Hello. The spammer below is either using your resources to send out bulk

unsolicited commercial e-mail.

That's the problem. No fair adding comments to the headers of the spam, or anywhere else for that matter.

SpamCop is looking for the headers to be presented in one contiguous block of plain text, followed by a blank line, which signals the end of the headers, and then followed by the body text.

The blank line after "commercial e-mail" tells SpamCop to stop looking for headers, and since there's nothing but the comment where the headers are supposed to be, the parse fails.

- Don -

18593[/snapback]

In this latest example that you provided us (url=http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z682083315z4033d49afbd1f65d47537512f5e3dd2fz), it seems that there is a line that reads:

UBE message forwarded:

Again, as Don wrote, nothing may be inserted before the start of the Internet headers.

...If SpamInspector is adding these comments and you can't get it to stop, you may have to get rid of it entirely.

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Back when you called my comments rude, this last example is answered by repeating my comment posted at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?...indpost&p=18544 ... which are asking about the same lines that you felt so great about Don talking about ...

I asked where those lines were coming from.

You said "SpamInspector"

I said either SpamInspector was screwed or you are using it wrong.

Don pointed at those same lines of additional data and said they were "bad"

You thanked Don.

You say you "fixed everything"

You post a new example, but the same problem exists.

Let me point out, everytime you've posted a "here's what I'm talking about" big block of text, you only provided a portion of what was actually submitted. You keep saying that when you paste stuff into the web-form it works. If you haven't put it together yet, what you were posting (other than the Tracking URLs) and pasting is NOT the same data package that is being fed to the SpamCop parser when you are sending the submittal via e-mail.

Just a side note here ... SpamInspector is a bit of software obtained from the current owner of the spamcop.com domain .... spamcop.com is NOT affiliated in anyway with SpamCop.net .... Again, I have no idea how many people are actually using SpamInspector (successfully) with SpamCop, but there might be something there in the fact that you are dealing with software from an outfit that is already known for highjacking mistyped URLs.

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In simpler terms than used here already: This part should NOT be in the submission to spamcop but is:

UBE message forwarded:

--begin message details--

That is still what is messing up the submission. In reality, there should be NOTHING added by the handler to the submission.

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I'm curious ... What I see is much more than what's been commented on;

Hello. The spammer below is either using your resources to send out bulk

unsolicited commercial e-mail.

UBE message forwarded:

--begin full headers--

And again, this is only at the beginning of the package ... if one scrolls down, you'll find more "insertions" of this type ....

And just to harp on one point again, one wll note that this "first" set of lines seen via the Tracking URL comes no where close to the "first" lines of stuff in the massive post that allegedly included "this is what SpamInspector sent" ....

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Hello. The spammer below is either using your resources to send out bulk

unsolicited commercial e-mail.

UBE message forwarded:

--begin full headers--

I'm curious ... What I see is much more than what's been commented on;<snip>

18712[/snapback]

...Are you looking at the first tracking URL? I (and probably StevenUnderwood) was looking at the second link.

And just to harp on one point again, one wll note that this "first" set of lines seen via the Tracking URL comes no where close to the "first" lines of stuff in the massive post that allegedly included "this is what SpamInspector sent" ....

18712[/snapback]

...My guess is that this was what einfaches was referring to by his:
<snip>

***ABUSE REPORT MESSAGE IS ADDED AUTOMATICALLY HERE***

--begin full headers--

<snip>

I deleted the parts about ***abuse report, ect................................***

<snip>

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OK, yes, the Tracking URL I hit was the one in the massive posting ... ok that part of things cleared up (I think) ...???

But yes, I'll go along with that problem of having to guess at too many things here, and having noted before that trying to guess at what was left out of the "here's what I sent" really made things hard .. noting (again) that those informational postings contained none of this additional added text problem.

Now see that even now, we're having to guess at what all was included in the "After cutting the info I thought would need to be cut" remark ... The additional lines I was asking about fall into that description ,, and I'm willing to hazard a guess that the remaining lines in question may not actually appear on this user's screen ...???

Looking through that spam, maybe I'm tempting fate here, but I can't recall the last spam I've seen that was "written" under Word .... I'll pop out with a possible really stupid question .... was this spam really built using Word, or is this the result of using Outlook with Word being selected as the default editor? With all the garbage included, I'll go with it being composed under Word, but .... as stated, this is totally opposite of what I get these days .. a lot of which has fallen back to a simple single line of text with a URL for instance

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einfaches, thanks for posting the tracking URL.

At this time it looks like you will not be able to use SpamInspector along with email forwarding to Spamcop. I have copied the important part of the message below to help you better understand what has to be changed to be able to use SpamCop reporting service

UBE message forwarded:

--begin message details--

Return-Path: <Houghtaling.Terra[at]podofly.com>

Received: from podofly.com (unknown [66.110.72.42])

by mx1.gamebox.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C33010167

for <x>; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:45:14 +0000 (UTC)

Received: (qmail 15066 invoked by uid 501); 13 Oct 2004 15:28:28 -0000

Date: 13 Oct 2004 15:28:28 -0000

Message-ID: <2004__________________mail[at]podofly.com>

From: "Terra Houghtaling" <Houghtaling.Terra[at]podofly.com>

To: x

Subject: they drink jizz

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The section colored red is the header section. There can not be anything added above this section. The green copy and the blank lines infront of the red headers must be removed before submitting to SpamCop. It would be better if they were never added in the first place. If you want to use SpamInspector you will need to work with them to find out how to get it to stop adding data and blank lines in front of the headers.

The single blank line following the red section is the next important piece. Any thing following that blank line is considered to be the body of the message.

Could you try another submission an see what happens when the message is properly formatted.

I hope this helps a bit.

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FOR ALL:

I attempted to remove all the EXTRA things from the submission and it kicked back again , After all I had done it still added the UBE thingie to it without my control.

Alas, I admit defeat.

IT is so strange that it worked ok before and now it does not.

I suppose I either screwed something up or something has changed.

I thank you for your help and knowledge.

I will have to manually report all spam no to spamcop.

Thank you for your time and trouble,

It seems that spam Inspector sends the submittals byu attachting the extra wording without anyway to control it.

Well fair adue.

Sorry for the wasted time and effort,

Einfaches

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I have coontacted spam Inspector and they claim they have not changed anything from their point.

I actuaolly discussed with them a way to remove the extra header info, but they claim it should not be necessary to do so.

I also pointed out to them that it was working correctly before then abouta month and a bit more ago, I started having this problem and they offered no help.

They claim it to work well with SpamCOp .

I have a tele number to contact someone in upper management at Giant Software, whom makes the program and I will go from there.

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