Unreported spam

[connyank]

While reporting, am getting the "you have unreported spam" message and wants to know if I want to report now - do so and get whole parse but then at the end it says this has already been reported.

I have no cancel button which I have seen mentioned around various help areas

Now, I can be in a hurry and using 3 diferent input screens at once and sometimes may dupe a post but not as often as this msg.

So, someone else has reported this spam before me - yes?

And we have no way of knowing this, right?

Isn't this kind of

-stupid?

-waste of bandwidth?

-in need of a fix?

tnx...

[Wazoo]

You have an account, your submitted/reported spam is yours ... Yes, you and I could receive and submit the same spam, but neither one of us would know this. From the sounds of it, you do need to slow down and look at things a bit closer.

[StevenUnderwood]

If you have a window open with the "you have unreported spam" and another open after following the link in the email reply, the situation you describe can occur. Usually you would either follow the email links OR keep following the unreported spam link until they are all gone.

If you submit the same message more than once, you will get a different tracking URL and be able to report multiple times...That would be against the rules, however.

[StevenUnderwood]

connyank:

I have simply deleted your 2 posts which were simply quotes of your first post with no added information.

[Wazoo]

connyank is not a happy camper. Posts a query here, is unhappy with the replies, apparently can't figure out the combination of mouse-click, keyboards strokes, and methods involved in making a Reply 'here' .... so takes it to the newsgroups.

http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-...read.html#65018

The problem with this view is that the one person replying there has gone with the "X-No-Archive: yes" in his posts, and this is honored by the archiver ....

An attempt at recreating that discussion here ...

Tried the forum, but it didn't work - can't reply, all in all a pretty

lousy set up - kinda leaves a warm feeling in this "reporters"

tummy..and, no, if I have to go

through another FAQ with no answers, I'll start smoking again...

question:

and BTW if this question is below most at the forum, maybe you shouldn't

offer it as a venue...

While reporting, am getting the "you have unreported spam" message and

wants to know if I want to report now - I do so and get whole parse but

then at the end it says this has already been reported.

I have no cancel button which I have seen mentioned around various help

areas, so I can't cancel it

Now, I can be in a hurry and using 3 diferent input screens at once and

sometimes may dupe a post but not as often as this msg.

So, someone else has reported this spam before me - yes?

And we have no way of knowing this, right?

Isn't this kind of

-stupid?

-waste of bandwidth?

-in need of a fix?

tnx...

response by Wazo;

*/You have an account, your submitted/reported spam is yours ... Yes, you

and I could receive and submit the same spam, but neither one of us

would know this.

/brilliant/...

From the sounds of it, you do need to slow down and look at things a

bit closer.

*/

WTF doe that mean, Wazo?

I'll slow down and see what - that someone else has already reported the

same spam? And I observe that how?

I got another response from Steve U. of a more thoughtful nature, but

equally unenlightening:

*/

If you have a window open with the "you have unreported spam" and

another open after following the link in the email reply, the situation

you describe can occur. Usually you would either follow the email links

OR keep following the unreported spam link until they are all gone.

/they don't go gone they list out and state IF I had reported, blahblah,

then that site had already been reported, such and such, then give me a

new input box, no indication of anything further on previous subject, no

cancel choice, nada/

If you submit the same message more than once, you will get a different

tracking URL and be able to report multiple times...That would be

against the rules, however.

/Well, thats good to know./

*/

I'm beginning to see why the NANAE groups froth...

Blammo responds by talking about the "Unreported spam/Report Now" deal getting stuck, making several posts to reinforce, explain further, even offer some other data ...

I have, a time or two, seen the parser "get stuck". If you click "Remove all unreported spam" that should remove it, if not contact the deputies% (I think).

Oh, close all extra windows and click "Report spam" or the SpamCop logo before you "Remove all unreported spam". The spam item may not be stuck, you may be seeing an old page showing an item you have already reported. This always happens when you have multiple windows open, it's nothing to be concerned about. I forget that sometimes these things aren't always obvious

to everyone.  You should be able to tell by the link color if you've been there before. And you don't want to reload the page if it ends in "/sc", just click the

logo.

Spamcop does not know if you have forwarded the same spam twice, that's why it gives you the warning. However if you try to reload the "sc" page Spamcop will complain that you already reported it, it won't let you report

the same submitted spam twice.

Don't worry too much about multiple windows, I do that all the time.

Usually for a reason though ;-)

Now you got me thinking, so I have to offer another suggestion, especially

if none of the other replies clear things up. Pardon me for assuming

ignorance, but sometimes we have to, that's why some replies can seem rude.

Ignorance of the mechanics of eMail or a web page is nothing to feel stupid

about.

When a spam eMail gets submitted to Spamcop, by whatever means, it is

processed and stored there. Thus, by one method or another, you have sent

information from your computer to Spamcop's computer.

When you then click the link the the waiting spam message, you load a form

from Spamcop where you can also fill in new information. The information in

the form mostly contains hidden spam id values. Thus Spamcop's computer is

sending information to your computer.

Now we have what's called a post form, waiting to be submitted. A Form Post

does not send the information in the URL, it is sent in a special header

you don't see. So when you Report spam or Cancel spam you send this

information from your computer to Spamcop's computer.

Then spamcop must send a reply to your browser so that it knows what to do,

you didn't click a link so the browser has no idea what to do next, it

either needs a new location to go to, or some html to display. So Spamcop

returns the "sc" page, this isn't a static page like what you get when you,

say, click the logo. So here you can get several different error messages,

or the preview message, or the result page. It could send the browser a new

location, but then you wouldn't get the result (if that happened you might

think you are reporting the same spam twice, but it doesn't happen because

you get the result). And here you get the blank form below the result page.

Now you can send the same spam to Spamcop twice, forward the same message

twice, or paste the same message into the form twice. You don't want to do

that because several people will get very upset. I've probably done it on

accident, no one has cut off my ice cream for it.

If you have two windows or tabs open with the same spam report, you can

only report one, the second report will result in an error. However you can

open all the reporting links in the Spamcop email reply, or even use the

paste spam form in multiple windows and report each, one after the other.

You might even be able to speed things up doing that, or at least maybe you

don't get so bored.

And finally (I hope), you can get duplicate spam messages. I just thought

of this because I just got two messages with the same subject, but looking

at the headers they are not exactly the same, so they both get reported.

However...

Mozilla has a bug, and probably Thunderbird as well, it will use the

subject for the attachment name, so they both can get combined together

into one message, both attachments will have the same name. This can result

in strange things happening, so I try to avoid it. If you notice two

messages with the same subject together, try to report them separately.

I'm not so sure Mozilla is wrong about this, but it should be avoided

anyway.

Thanks, I

a.)haven't been reading the ng for the past 2 years or so, nor do I have

time to search the usenet after parsing and sending twice a day.

b.)can see the "remove" option  and can make that decision, but that

leaves the open question.

c.)wasn't aware of parser sticking in that fashion, so thanks again..

[Wazoo]

newsgroup response;

"J G" wrote in message news:d9g60c$nd0$1[at]news.spamcop.net...

> Tried the forum, but it didn't work - can't reply,

One of the Moderators removed your two failed attempts at

a reply, you only leaving two posts containing nothing but the

entire quoted contents of your first post.

> all in all a pretty lousy set up - kinda leaves a warm feeling

> in this "reporters" tummy..and, no, if I have to go

> through another FAQ with no answers, I'll start smoking again...

There is the www.spamcop.net FAQ which was the starting point

of the FAQ found in the Forum ... The "set-up" issue seems odd,

with so many other folks able to reply just fine .. noting again that

both of your attempts "worked" .. just not having any content but

the repeat of your first post ... Perhaps a couple of entries in the

"How to Use .. Forum" might have cleared up some confusion on

your part ..????

> question:

> and BTW if this question is below most at the forum, maybe you shouldn't

> offer it as a venue...

> */

> While reporting, am getting the "you have unreported spam" message and

> wants to know if I want to report now - I do so and get whole parse but

> then at the end it says this has already been reported.

> I have no cancel button which I have seen mentioned around various help

> areas, so I can't cancel it

> Now, I can be in a hurry and using 3 diferent input screens at once and

> sometimes may dupe a post but not as often as this msg.

> So, someone else has reported this spam before me - yes?

> And we have no way of knowing this, right?

> Isn't this kind of

> -stupid?

> -waste of bandwidth?

> -in need of a fix?

>

> tnx...

> */

>

> response by Wazo;

> */

> You have an account, your submitted/reported spam is yours ... Yes, you

> and I could receive and submit the same spam, but neither one of us

> would know this.

> /brilliant/...

Problem is that I was trying to clear up that you report your spam, I

report mine. There is no connection as far as the SpamCop parser

is concerned. So any "already reported" issue is based solely on

"your" reported spam .. nothing to do with my reported spam.

Not sure why you'd call this "brilliant" and still miss the point.

>  From the sounds of it, you do need to slow down and look at things a

> bit closer.

> */

> WTF doe that mean, Wazo?

> I'll slow down and see what - that someone else has already reported the

> same spam?  And I observe that how?

As above, there is no connection between spam you report and

the spam someone else reports ... the slow-down remark dealt

with your "got three screens running and am getting wierd errors" ...

As backed up with StevenUnderwood's and Blammo's remarks,

this "hurried" actioning can lead to possible glitches.

> I got another response from Steve U. of a more thoughtful nature, but

> equally unenlightening:

<snip>

>

> I'm beginning to see why the NANAE groups froth...

I'm not sure I see the connection between your alleged problem, the

SpamCop Forum, these newsgroups, and NANAE ....????

[dbiel]

What is interesting about the original post, and in my reading not clearly stated elsewhere is that SpamCop was never designed to be accessed using multiple windows by the same user. So don't be suprised if you get errors. It appears that multiple windows can be used in an attempt to speed up reporting, but it would be very easy to end up trying to report the exact same message multiple times in the varrious open windows.

Opening multiple windows by clicking on the varrious links in the email sent as a confirmation from SapmCop that the messages are ready to report is perfectly fine and will not create any problems since each accesses a separate file.

But logging into your reporting account multiple times (concurrently) is not a sound practice.

[StevenUnderwood]

What is interesting about the original post, and in my reading not clearly stated elsewhere is that SpamCop was never designed to be accessed using multiple windows by the same user.  ...

But logging into your reporting account multiple times (concurrently) is not a sound practice.

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Good point that I had not thought about....If you go to the reporting page X times, all X times that link is going to point to the first unreported message (it is a fixed link to the specific reporting page for that spam submission).

[connyank]

Good point that I had not thought about....If you go to the reporting page X times, all X times that link is going to point to the first unreported message (it is a fixed link to the specific reporting page for that spam submission).

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And that is exactly the problem, which I finally figured out by comparing open windows, reports waiting to be sent, etc.

You are right - multiple windows creates problems.

Simply put, you send a msg to be parsed and while waiting, go and copy another and send it in a second window.

Previous one sent hasn't come back yet, so there are 2 in the pipeline. 1 of the 2 comes back and says here is one to report and there is another which hasn't been reported yet, it knowing that there is another but you haven't got the report screen yet.

So, no, opening 4-5 tabs and reporting like crazy is really a pretty dumb idea, no matter how brilliant it sounds at first.

I am wearing a hair shirt and am in the backyard doing 20 minutes of self flagelagation...

[connyank]

And that is exactly the problem, which I finally figured out by comparing open windows, reports waiting to be sent, etc.

You are right - multiple windows creates problems.

Simply put, you send a msg to be parsed and while waiting, go and copy another and send it in  a second window.

Previous one sent hasn't come back yet, so there are 2 in the pipeline.  1 of the 2 comes back and says here is one to report and there is another which hasn't been reported yet, it knowing that there is another but you haven't got the report screen yet. 

So, no, opening 4-5 tabs and reporting like crazy is really a pretty dumb idea, no matter how brilliant it sounds at first.

I am wearing a hair shirt and am in the backyard doing 20 minutes of self flagelagation...

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whats snapback?

anyway, after mispelling flagelation, I arrived at the conclusion that one could use 2-4 windows if one could keep track of the flow and make sure that each report came back and was sent properly. At the end of the reporting session, you have 1 or 2 input windows showing unreported spam. Click the cancel button and the msg comes back 0 msgs cancelled - means you did good, all sent. Haven't gotten any other than that back yet, so I'm knocking on wood, but now I think I unnerstand it and thanks to all for paying attention...

[turetzsr]

whats snapback?

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...Do you mean the ' [ snapback ]' option in the forum posts? Have a look at BB Code Help and scan down looking for "Post Snap Back".