Jese Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I am seeing the same thing now, in every report, without exception. I am still processing through SpamCop, just to trace the source, but don't see the point in submitting when no reports to the source are sent by SpamCop. My suggestion to SC, drop the lookup in bondedsender, as plainly, all IP adresses are now listed in bondedsender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lking Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 11 minutes ago, Jese said: My suggestion to SC, drop the lookup in bondedsender, as plainly, all IP adresses are now listed in bondedsender. Did you read the earlier post in this thread?? https://forum.spamcop.net/topic/73357-internal-spamcop-handling-bondedsender/#comment-188903 there is an open ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRE Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 4 minutes ago, Jese said: I am still processing through SpamCop, just to trace the source, but don't see the point in submitting when no reports to the source are sent by SpamCop. My suggestion to SC, drop the lookup in bondedsender, as plainly, all IP adresses are now listed in bondedsender. SC should also drop Habeas too, as is seeams related to the same Problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismox Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I've been using spamcop long time ( perhaps 20 years) and never seen this kind of issue. Almost all spam reports are going to bondedsender and all are rejected. Al bank phishes, "businesss offers", african officials, inheritance, literally all spam I get. This needs to be resolved pretty soon as this renders whole concept as useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biederstedt@spamcop.net Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Spamcop seems to no longer looking up the network whois for a given IP address regardless, and just putting in the 'bondedsender' in no matter who the origin network is. How is this helpful? Can't they just disable all reports no matter what and include that information rather than obfuscating the sender? Seems like a nonsensical thing for spamcop to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninth Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 13 hours ago, SCRE said: SC should also drop Habeas too, as is seeams related to the same Problem. SC has reported the problem with habeas to validity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jondaley Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Yes, me as well. Â Most of my spam in the last week is being listed as "bonded server confirmed opt-in", which they obviously aren't. I think spamcop needs to update their rules, as spammers have figured out how to bypass spamcop reports entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Opening a ticket with the providers of these services is all well and good, but it's been several days now of SC not working for most of the spam I submit. Maybe SC needs to temporarily drop the use of Habeas and Bondedsender until they are no longer broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCRE Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Tesseract said: Maybe SC needs to temporarily drop the use of Habeas and Bondedsender until they are no longer broken. +1 for this At the moment reporting to SC is wasted time in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninth Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, SCRE said: At the moment reporting to SC is wasted time in my opinion I sent a report today to test the app and I have the offending IP address and abuse email to manually forward the spam. SC is still doing all the hard work deciphering the raw message and updating the blocklist and stats except not sending reports. You're welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jese Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/23/2024 at 9:38 AM, Lking said: Did you read the earlier post in this thread?? https://forum.spamcop.net/topic/73357-internal-spamcop-handling-bondedsender/#comment-188903 there is an open ticket Well, if there is an open ticket on this, then IMO, it's been open way too long... The ironic thing with this latest, is that mailchimp was bouncing in any case, so not much difference in this case. Any suggestions out there, for alternatives to SC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale H. Cook Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Jese said: Any suggestions out there, for alternatives to SC? I would like to know that as well. I see no sense in paying for access to SC when it is not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J.Mechelynck Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 It seems that someone has subverted the very last step of SpamCop processing: parsing proceeds normally, then at some point, no later than the moment of sending reports, the abuse address for the sender IP (which is mentioned higher up in the parser listing) is replaced unconditionally by bondedsender@admin.spamcop.net. Reports for links (if any) found in the spam body (e.g. to Google) are still sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninth Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, A.J.Mechelynck said: It seems that someone has subverted the very last step of SpamCop processing: parsing proceeds normally, then at some point, no later than the moment of sending reports, the abuse address for the sender IP (which is mentioned higher up in the parser listing) is replaced unconditionally by bondedsender@admin.spamcop.net. Reports for links (if any) found in the spam body (e.g. to Google) are still sent. Interesting. As I posted above I found the sender of spam IP and abuse report email in the parse and when I pressed the send reports button I got the same IP sent to bondedsender @ admin dot spamcop dot net which is an address used for net admin to net admin previously established relationships. The special admin email has been discussed on the forum. No links in the email were processed but they are not as important as the sending IP as they are responsible for sending the spam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkriirkE Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 I've also been losing most of me reports to this bonded sender. Some go through. Most do not. Sometimes it performs an endless loop where "Report next" goes back to the same report without evern getting removed from the queue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreofless Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 None of my reports are working. What is the point of using Spamcop? How long does it take for Spamcop to fix this "bondedsender@admin.spamcop.net" issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J.Mechelynck Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Complaining and whining will get us nowhere. Let us try to find something useful (and preferably something new, so let's read the older posts in this thread first), or otherwise let us silently hope that the SpamCop admins will (soon) find out what went wrong and fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale H. Cook Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 After more than two weeks of this problem it looks like Cisco has abandoned Spamcop. Pity. I think I will abandon Cisco at work - there are other providers of networking hardware who can satisfy my customers' needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davem Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 I agree this has gone on for too long. I am looking at the parse, scraping out the reporting email for the spam's origin, and pasting that in a User Notification. That seems to work, but it tedious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale H. Cook Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 It is tedious, but I did it before I used SC, and now that it looks like SC is no longer being maintained I can do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisati Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 On 7/26/2024 at 1:45 AM, Jese said: Well, if there is an open ticket on this, then IMO, it's been open way too long... The ironic thing with this latest, is that mailchimp was bouncing in any case, so not much difference in this case. Any suggestions out there, for alternatives to SC? My minimal experience of reporting stuff sent via mailchimp in the past is that sending a copy of the offending email directly to their abuse[at] email address usually elicits a response from them. It has been a couple of years since I have had to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninth Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 14 hours ago, Dale H. Cook said: After more than two weeks of this problem it looks like Cisco has abandoned Spamcop. Pity. I think I will abandon Cisco at work - there are other providers of networking hardware who can satisfy my customers' needs. Goto community dot cisco dot com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-J Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 On 7/21/2024 at 8:34 PM, Richard W said: We started getting false positives on accredit.habeas.com and plus.bondedsender.org last week. This seems to have jumped to 100% fail now. I have a ticket open and trying to figure this out with Validity. Is there an update from a Spamcop admin or representative? I may have missed it, there's hundreds of threads on this topic & no way to sort by newest, dont see the 'by date' sort helps, not a very efficient forum environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petzl Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 (edited) 8 hours ago, S-J said: Is there an update from a Spamcop admin or representative? I may have missed it, there's hundreds of threads on this topic & no way to sort by newest, dont see the 'by date' sort helps, not a very efficient forum environment. Been one as soon as Bonded Sender started not sending reports? Reports count towards SpamCop Block List and count a lot higher than it's poisoned spamtrap email addresses So pays to keep reporting You might put in comments as you use SpamCop for reporting "IP sending to poisoned spamtrap email addresses" Bonded sender (owned by CISCO SpamCop's owners) are "whitelisted". providers mainly "Cloud" providers who have or had zero tolerance for spammers. Now comes Microsoft 365 "free offer" which get many spambots signing up a deluging the world with spam; https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/internet-outage-latest-airlines-businesses-hit-global-technology-112097254 Microsoft 365 I suspect (my conspiracy theory?) were blocked deliberately/unintentionally not knowing it was Microsoft bombing the world with spam. Microsoft appear using it's own massive range of IP's in hoping/swapping IP to stop IP's being identified and blocked. They are now using worldwide Cloud storage which used to be spam free My views and could be erroneous are my own not SpamCop's. I'm a member with no affiliation than that CISCO/SpamCop are aware of the problem and are trying to get a solution  Edited July 28 by petzl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreofless Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 On 7/26/2024 at 8:20 PM, A.J.Mechelynck said: Complaining and whining will get us nowhere. Let us try to find something useful (and preferably something new, so let's read the older posts in this thread first), or otherwise let us silently hope that the SpamCop admins will (soon) find out what went wrong and fix it. That is the job of SpamCop. Not all of us are technical experts. Spamcop has all the detail. They should be able to fix this. This is still happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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