Lking Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 - especially if the ISP has a good spam filter. In defense of my ISP, my volume of spam is "my fault". Looking at the historical volume changes last Nov 05-Jan 06, Apr-May 06, and Jul 06 these were times when I was working with my ISP to get all of their filters turned off for me. Why I wanted this is due to my geekdum and several missing messages (yes Miss Betsy, they just dumped them in the bit bucket and didn't tell anyone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbear Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Why I wanted this is due to my geekdum and several missing messages (yes Miss Betsy, they just dumped them in the bit bucket and didn't tell anyone). This seems to be increasingly the policy of many ISP's & hosts. When I complained to my domain host that I was missing many wanted emails they first admitted that they were using the SCBL to block 'spam' then reluctantly agreed to change it to 'tag', but didn't forward any tagged mail to a user accessible folder, (so I'm not sure what is going on now....), and in addition are also using a separate content based spam filter of some sort, once again not user configurable so emails are just going missing (as you say - straight into the bit-bucket), and no-one is any the wiser.... I suppose you can't blame them, especially if they are going to be penalised for sending NDR's, but as far as I am concerned it renders the email account even more useless than if it is clogged with spam.... It's a bit like your postman throwing away every third envelope at random.... I would far prefer to have a clean, unfiltered email account so I can institute my own filters & checks. I don't mind an ISP or host having a spamfilter to protect & reduce the load on their mailservers, (although in my experience some spamfiltering seems to slow down mailserver operation dramatically), as long as it is user accessible/configurable and/or offers the opportunity for the user to whitelist his address. As an aside, it occurs to me that one problem with IP blocking is that with the explosion of zombie botnets there are no definite 'rogue' IP ranges anymore - most IP ranges seem to be affected at some time or other. I know ISP's should better monitor for zombie activity but I appreciate how difficult it is for the larger ISP's especially if they use dynamic user IP allocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lking Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 ... but I appreciate how difficult it is for the larger ISP's especially if they use dynamic user IP allocation. Yes they have a problem. I see a parallel to the old Beta/VHS argument. A large number of (most) email customers do not want to deal with filters, whitelist, etc. so we have settled into a less than technically ideal solution. In todays marketplace ISPs are trying to filter out the spam for users that say "don't send me that cr*p." In todays market place the ISPs that don't filter loose. The public has grown to expect failures from computers, due to poorly written OS(s) and apps, and so they accept missing emails as normal. When you try to explain the alternative their eyes glass over. I have found a host for my domain that I can work with. The only trouble is those that are maintaining the systems and dealing with the spam problem are not customer support. They don't always remember that I want something different (I don't think they understand eather.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Betsy Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The public has grown to expect failures from computers, due to poorly written OS(s) and apps, and so they accept missing emails as normal. When you try to explain the alternative their eyes glass over. Until it really becomes economically important to the consumer to choose an ISP who is responsible (or someone like Ralph Nader or Rachel Carson awakes them), even intelligent people don't want to hear how simple it is. Miss Betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Until it really becomes economically important to the consumer to choose an ISP who is responsible (or someone like Ralph Nader or Rachel Carson awakes them), even intelligent people don't want to hear how simple it is. Ralph Nader, Rachael Carson...pshaw. We need Oprah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbear Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Ralph Nader, Rachael Carson...pshaw. We need Oprah! It's not a bad browser, but I prefer Firefox..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 It's not a bad browser, but I prefer Firefox..... You lost me. What does browsers have to do with ... this? I do use F-Fox. I don't use, allow, or countenance, emoticons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenUnderwood Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 You lost me. What does browsers have to do with ... this? Opera is another browser: http://www.opera.com/ It was a joke, that was missed by some of it's audience. P.S. Opera used to be text-only, correct, or am I losing more of those brain cells? Sorry, it was Lynx I was thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbear Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 It was a joke, that was missed by some of it's audience. Sadly it indeed was in the general fashion of gentle attempted humour - Oh well, never mind..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farelf Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Sadly it indeed was in the general fashion of gentle attempted humour - Oh well, never mind..... Some of us enjoyed it bb, slight solace though that might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooster Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Opera is another browser: http://www.opera.com/ It was a joke, that was missed by some of it's audience. I just got it. I really need to stop playing with my PC after midnite. Coffee might well keep the body awake, but it doesn't make me any brighter; at least not the 'beans' I am using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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