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Hi.

Now, I don't get a whole lot of spam through my three prominent mail accounts but, when I do, I report every single piece received.

For several months now, I have been receiving one spam every one/two days and (as stated) have reported every single one without seeing any let up in persistency.

ALL of these "female solicitation" spams reference a domain named BJTELECOM, whether using .net or .com

Despite reporting spam, I'm not familiar with mail protocols and systems but feel the need to ask...

Is there a legislative problem/issue preventing adding to block lists to effectively deal blows to such Chinese spam-hosting scum?

Lord knows, I've sent plenty of reports.

TIA.

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Hi.

Now, I don't get a whole lot of spam through my three prominent mail accounts but, when I do, I report every single piece received.

For several months now, I have been receiving one spam every one/two days and (as stated) have reported every single one without seeing any let up in persistency.

ALL of these "female solicitation" spams reference a domain named BJTELECOM, whether using .net or .com

Despite reporting spam, I'm not familiar with mail protocols and systems but feel the need to ask...

Is there a legislative problem/issue preventing adding to block lists to effectively deal blows to such Chinese spam-hosting scum?

Lord knows, I've sent plenty of reports.

TIA.

Send a tracking URL from your SpamCop parse is the best way for one to see whats happening!

If you operate a email server you can block China the country, or any other country.

There are programs like MailWasher (Windows) which can be made use blocklists even sending submissions to SpamCop

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Send a tracking URL from your SpamCop parse is the best way for one to see whats happening!

If you operate a email server you can block China the country, or any other country.

There are programs like MailWasher (Windows) which can be made use blocklists even sending submissions to SpamCop

Umm...

I don't quite get you.

1) I can't discern your first suggstion from normal reporting procedure. [this could simply be a lack of understanding on my part]

2) I'm not running an email server and wouldn't wholesale block anything at my end, as it would only appear that there was no spam problem.

3) Again, this MailWasher looks like a localised program which would bin spam at my end.

Most of these spams go directly to the spam bin of my local email client anyway.

There are likely many programs or mail client filters which would do this, but that wouldn't affect the spammers.

Again, it'd only give the appearance that no spam was being sent, and not thwart the scum at all.

I'm not inundated with spam and this isn't about me.

I report to disrupt spammers, for the benefit of all those not savvy enough to avoid getting caught out by them.

Anyway, these BJTelecom [189.cn] spams are the only ones I currently get, and I'm still reporting them almost daily with no let up.

All I want to know is, why reporting is proving to be futile with this Chinese host?

Is China a special case (via a legal loophole) and should I stop wasting effort?

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Umm...

I don't quite get you.

1) I can't discern your first suggstion from normal reporting procedure. [this could simply be a lack of understanding on my part]

2) I'm not running an email server and wouldn't wholesale block anything at my end, as it would only appear that there was no spam problem.

3) Again, this MailWasher looks like a localised program which would bin spam at my end.

Most of these spams go directly to the spam bin of my local email client anyway.

There are likely many programs or mail client filters which would do this, but that wouldn't affect the spammers.

Again, it'd only give the appearance that no spam was being sent, and not thwart the scum at all.

I'm not inundated with spam and this isn't about me.

I report to disrupt spammers, for the benefit of all those not savvy enough to avoid getting caught out by them.

Anyway, these BJTelecom [189.cn] spams are the only ones I currently get, and I'm still reporting them almost daily with no let up.

All I want to know is, why reporting is proving to be futile with this Chinese host?

Is China a special case (via a legal loophole) and should I stop wasting effort?

1 Everytime you report spam at top of page

Here is your TRACKING URL - it may be saved for future reference:

https://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z6200732419zb8dd0358e19c45a2bd32dc8f471510cbz

2

Best option is to get a gmail account which deals with spam and can retrieve email from your provider.

3

MailWasher a Windows program leaves spam on server and you can submit and delete spam from server.

3b

"Is China a special case (via a legal loophole) and should I stop wasting effort?"

No but you sometimes have to get better than SpamCop and where a tracking URL would enable one to advise better!

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Umm...

I don't quite get you.

1) I can't discern your first suggstion from normal reporting procedure. [this could simply be a lack of understanding on my part]

He's suggesting that you post one of the tracking links here along with your question. It's easier for us to figure out what's going on when we can see an actual example of the spam.

2) I'm not running an email server and wouldn't wholesale block anything at my end, as it would only appear that there was no spam problem.

3) Again, this MailWasher looks like a localised program which would bin spam at my end.

Most of these spams go directly to the spam bin of my local email client anyway.

There are likely many programs or mail client filters which would do this, but that wouldn't affect the spammers.

Again, it'd only give the appearance that no spam was being sent, and not thwart the scum at all.

I'm not inundated with spam and this isn't about me.

I report to disrupt spammers, for the benefit of all those not savvy enough to avoid getting caught out by them.

That's sort of true, but it's another way of disrupting spammers. If your filters are good enough that no spam gets through, then nobody on the server actually sees the spam, and therefore it's 0% effective. Unfortunately, this can only be completely effective if everyone protects every mail server perfectly. While simply filtering out spam on your server may feel like you're just ignoring it, that's really about the best you can do to personally stop spam (along with reporting it to anti-spam organizations as you're already doing). You're not directly harming the spammers by just filtering the spam out, but you are making their spamming attempts less valuable.

Anyway, these BJTelecom [189.cn] spams are the only ones I currently get, and I'm still reporting them almost daily with no let up.

All I want to know is, why reporting is proving to be futile with this Chinese host?

Is China a special case (via a legal loophole) and should I stop wasting effort?

While spam is illegal in the US, even here it's nearly impossible to actually get a spammer via the legal system. In most cases of action against spammers, it's done by the spammer's host, solely because they don't want to be associated with spammers and lose legitimate business because of it. In a country with little regard for others' IP and laws (like China), it's just going to be that much worse.

There are some ISPs who cater to spammers - they're able to make enough from the spammers that they don't bother to try keeping a good image. There are also spammers who try to set things up so that they get spam reports rather than their upstream hosts (so you're sending reports to the people sending the spam rather than the ISP they're spamming through). Some ISPs are simply understaffed and don't have the manpower and/or technical skills to actually stop spammers on their network.

There are a lot of reasons why spammers don't get stopped. I'm not surprised that one from China is still going, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's simply because of some loophole in Chinese law. Even if you don't directly get the spammer shut down, additional reports will help to get the IP/URL added to blacklists, which will help more spam filters catch it and therefore keep it from being seen (which essentially makes it worthless).

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1 Everytime you report spam at top of page

Here is your TRACKING URL - it may be saved for future reference:

https://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z6200732419zb8dd0358e19c45a2bd32dc8f471510cbz

2

Best option is to get a gmail account which deals with spam and can retrieve email from your provider.

3

MailWasher a Windows program leaves spam on server and you can submit and delete spam from server.

3b

"Is China a special case (via a legal loophole) and should I stop wasting effort?"

No but you sometimes have to get better than SpamCop and where a tracking URL would enable one to advise better!

I fear you have no idea what Google actually is [forget stories relating to the two puppets] and for whom it was purposelfully created; all feeding into a monstrous global population tracking and profiling database at the web/net central hub [what CERN REALLY is - not an atomic sci-fantasy smokescreen].

I do not go anywhere near Google, except YouTube - and that is now completely malfunctioning due to my web-based scripting, tracking, HTML5 data-extraction blocks.

"Best option"... get a POP3 account which doesn't require mandatory filing of commercial persona detail or allow Google's CAPTCHA to record one's sign-up.

Shall I answer this proposal?

They are being erradicated.

ALL non-traceable web activity is.

The military purpose of the web/net [think about those words and let them sink in] always was global databasing and tracking.

Your entire planet is militarily commanded and the majority of what you think you know is all fake; supposed from clever deceptions of language: "War on TERRA" is what the monkey said, but not what the pre-conditioned heard.

[Don't assume it's the USA to blame. It does what it's told. It's a commercial corporation which used to be called the Virginia Company and is REGIStered [note upper-case word] as such in Scotland.

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Well, I'm still sending one or two reports every one or two days and they almost all have BJTelecom referenced.

I get no other spam for the two remaining of my previous four email accounts

[for how long will I keep two? - I can't even access one of them via the web interface anymore: They're demanding to know who I am, to link it to any other accidentally unobfuscated web activities]

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