Anyone heard of SPEWS?

[matts]

I've seen some rantings on alt.spam about SPEWS, which all seem to track back to the same guy. Anyone know what SPEWS is, and why this guy would be so enraged?

Yahoo Groups is where I found it by the way

[StevenUnderwood]

I've seen some rantings on alt.spam about SPEWS, which all seem to track back to the same guy. Anyone know what SPEWS is, and why this guy would be so enraged?

Of course we have, they are down the hall, that way ---->

or was it that way <---- ?

http://spews.org/

The copyright on the page has not been updated since 2005. The lookups do in fact seem to work, at least for the test Ip 127.0.0.2. More info at: http://spews.org/faq.html

[matts]

Of course we have, they are down the hall, that way ---->

or was it that way <---- ?

http://spews.org/

The copyright on the page has not been updated since 2005. The lookups do in fact seem to work, at least for the test Ip 127.0.0.2. More info at: http://spews.org/faq.html

So the ranting is from a scumbag, basically?

[Miss Betsy]

So the ranting is from a scumbag, basically?

Didn't look at the page, but it could be from someone who didn't want to move with the times and got on the spews list because he contributed to the spam problem in ignorance. If you have noticed some of the reactions of initial posters here when they have been blocked, you understand that frustration sometimes takes the attitude of attack. The posters to the newsgroup where he would have posted his initial complaint do not attempt to conciliate. In fact, they are more likely to escalate the exchange and to regard anyone not agreeing with them as idiots.

The spews listing includes blocks of 'innocent' IP addresses which happen to be near non-responsive spammers. The spews rationale being that, if you want to use the internet, you don't associate with spammers. There are lots of people who think spews is unfair.

However, usually those who rant at spews are unrepentant spammers who intend to spam.

Miss Betsy

[matts]

Didn't look at the page, but it could be from someone who didn't want to move with the times and got on the spews list because he contributed to the spam problem in ignorance. If you have noticed some of the reactions of initial posters here when they have been blocked, you understand that frustration sometimes takes the attitude of attack. The posters to the newsgroup where he would have posted his initial complaint do not attempt to conciliate. In fact, they are more likely to escalate the exchange and to regard anyone not agreeing with them as idiots.

The spews listing includes blocks of 'innocent' IP addresses which happen to be near non-responsive spammers. The spews rationale being that, if you want to use the internet, you don't associate with spammers. There are lots of people who think spews is unfair.

However, usually those who rant at spews are unrepentant spammers who intend to spam.

Miss Betsy

I can appreciate you giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, but you should see the rants on alt.spam. My guess is the guy got "caught with his hand in the cookie jar", professing to be "anti-spam" while in fact spamming. The rants when on WAY too long, and (warning) got REALLY graphic.

[Miss Betsy]

Usually though those who 'rant' are not the spammers, but those who don't understand that certain practices are not 'good' because of the spammers in spite of the intent of the sender. Fred Lange (IIRC) who has a mailing list used to always be ranting against spamcop because he refused to use good practices, as defined by the way that spammers use the internet. There was no intent to spam on his part, but he refused to give up certain practices that eventually got him on spamcop. He always blamed it on reporter error (which, in some cases, it was).

From any recipient's viewpoint, it doesn't matter - they are sending unsolicited email and we don't want it just as we don't want misdirected bounces or viruses (both of which are also reportable - one of which was useful at one time and viruses that are certainly not 'intended').

Miss Betsy