419 and phishing emails

[mrmaxx]

I'm having some problems figuring out when to report a spam to the Nigerian 419 Secret Service address and when to report it to the US Government's anti-phishing email address.

Are all phishing attempts 419's or are all 419's phishing attempts? Should I report all phishing to the Secret Service or just ones that claim to be a Nigerian "inheritance" or such?

I'm tempted to say I should report Nigerian 419 scams to both places, as 419 scams are a subset of phishing scams, but I'd rather get an opinion from someone else, preferably a SpamCop deputy.

[SpamCopAdmin]

I'd rather get an opinion from someone else, preferably a SpamCop deputy.

You're on your own here. I don't know anything about where else to report the scams.

- Don D'Minion - SpamCop Admin -

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[mrmaxx]

You're on your own here. I don't know anything about where else to report the scams.

Well, I did a bit of Googling and found this:

US-CERT is collecting phishing email messages and web site locations so that we can help people avoid becoming victims of phishing scams.

You can report phishing to us by sending email to phishing-report[at]us-cert.gov

So, I know that we can report phishing to them. My question is, do 419 scams constitute a subset of phishing or should I report all phishing to both?

[Huldin-the-Goth]

Hi,

I am in the UK and you can report to MillersMiles who run a dedicated 419 scam and anti-phishing service at http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/

Huldin-the-Goth

[mrmaxx]

I am in the UK and you can report to MillersMiles who run a dedicated 419 scam and anti-phishing service at http://www.millersmiles.co.uk/

Interesting. They don't seem to differentiate between 419 and phishing. I may go ahead and add them to my standard reporting list. 'Course, I'll have to take someone else off...

[rconner]

My question is, do 419 scams constitute a subset of phishing or should I report all phishing to both?

I think there's a lot of wiggle room in these definitions. I'd say report them to anyone you can find, let them tell you otherwise.

My own understanding is that "phishing" is where the crook makes an elaborate pretense to be your bank (etc.) and tries to get you to log in in such a way that he can capture your login info, credit card number, etc. He will typically use direct-to-MX bulk mailing and secret websites for this purpose. He doesn't ask you for money, etc. (he will get that himself later).

419ers, on the other hand, are very low-tech swindlers (using freemail, no websites and no direct-to-MX) who try to trick people into thinking they won the lottery, that they can collect money belonging to a dead politician, etc.

The phisher is done with you after one message to you (if you respond, that is). 419s, on the other hand, require a lot of back-and-forth traffic for the crook to suck you further into the scam. That's why it can be useful to report e-mail addresses known to be used by 419ers for collecting replies.

-- rick

[Lking]

are you sending them to www.PhishTank.com ? They seem to be rather proactive after a "group think" validation that a site is phishing and not miss-reported.

[Miss Betsy]

The problem is that law enforcement wants to know how much you lost before they really can act. If you want to protect the gullible, then the best course of action is to report the drop box.

I figure that law enforcement agencies have the same opportunities for a spamtrap that doesn't rely on possible reporter error to catch these 419 spam.

Miss Betsy

[Telarin]

As I understand it, "419" refers to section 419 of the Nigerian legal code that deals with "advanced fee fraud". This is where you are told that you have won the lottery, have been left a large inheritence, or that Prince Mabutamba has several "trunk boxes" full of money they need to get out of the country. Then you are asked to pay an advance fee to get your cut of the money.

On the other hand, as rick points out, phishing is an attempt to get personal information from an overly trusting user.