Wazoo Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Brought over from the spamcop newsgroup ... last paragraph suggests entry into the "New Feature / Suggestion" Forum, but wil start it off here for someone that knows better .... From: "Ed Hager" Newsgroups: spamcop Subject: Re: Blocked my forwards Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 14:27:52 -0700 I use the term "blocked" becase the MIME header reads: X-SpamCop-Disposition: Blocked bl.spamcop.net Yes, all of my e-mail was moved to the "held" folder which I don't POP. I use IMAP to clean it out and check for "lost" e-mails but I don't really pay attention to 99% of the e-mails that end up there. So, from my point of view, it was "blocked" from being delivered to my in-box. So let's review. Another customer of the company that hosts my domain sent out spam. spam Cop added that server to bl.spamcop.net. I have my e-mail account on that server forwarding all e-mail to spam Cop (which is suggested in the spam Cop documentation). Since the server doing the forwarding is now in bl.spamcop.net, every single e-mail that is forwarded gets blocked. The whitelist is not reasonable in this case because I would have to white list every single sender address. If I was going to do that, I wouldn't bother *paying* for a spam Cop account and I would just have my e-mail client separate e-mail based on whether the sender was in my address book or not. I use spam Cop because it has the smarts to figure out what is spam and what is not without a lot of configuration on my part. My original point was that spam Cop has a way for me to identify my mail server. Yes, I already knew how that was used, I am just making a suggestion. If messages come in and are marked as spam because may mail host is in the bl.spamcop.net list, spam Cop should have an option to ignore the "blocking" based on that server and analyze the others server addresses. The white list function is based on the e-mail address of the sender not which mail server the message went through so if I put my mail host in there, would it even work? Plus, I don't want that to work because then it would white list every single e-mail that gets forwarded because every single e-mail goes through my mail server. I basically need an option that says "if spam Cop is blocking a message only because it is coming from my mail server, allow that message to be delivered to my in-box". Yes, I could probably configure my e-mail client to filter messages based on the contents of the MIME headers inserted by spam Cop. Once again, I am not looking for a way to fix this myself, I am making a suggestion that would improve spam Cop's service. Ed "WazoO" wrote in message news:dap64k$ae3$1[at]news.spamcop.net... > "Ed Hager" wrote in message > news:dap1sg$89m$1[at]news.spamcop.net... >> My hosting company's server showed up in bl.spamcop.net. The admin fixed >> the problem and the listing has expired. That's cool. >> >> My problem was that spam Cop started blocking all of my e-mail because I >> am forwarding e-mail from my host to spam Cop. I have that mail server >> configured under the mailhost configuration page. It would be nice if I >> had an option to accept all e-mail that comes from my own mail server. I >> know that I could end up getting some spam but loosing valid e-mails can be >> way worse. > > Terminology issue seems to be at issue here. > > 1. The MailHost Configuration only has ties to your Reporting account / parsing. > 2. I'm not aware of the SpamCop Filtered e-mail system "blocking" anything. The incoming e-mail that gets identified as "not worthy" gets moved to one's Held Mail folder. > 3. There is a "whitelist" function. > > The Forum FAQ has a number of entries dealing > with filtering options you may want to look through. > It sounds like there may be more data there for you > to discover also .. > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petzl Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 So let's review. Another customer of the company that hosts my domain sent out spam. spam Cop added that server to bl.spamcop.net. I have my e-mail account on that server forwarding all e-mail to spam Cop (which is suggested in the spam Cop documentation). Since the server doing the forwarding is now in bl.spamcop.net, every single e-mail that is forwarded gets blocked. > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/ 30062[/snapback] The question is why is the company that hosts his domian getting blocked Answer because it's cheap and the reason it is cheap is because it is no bloody good and just wants to milk your bank account Answer tell them they are getting listed by SpamCop (not a easy feat). To get this far means they are no bloody good and GOODBYE and ask for ALL money so far milked to be paid back (if they have a ombudsman make a formal complaint to get your money back AND closed down) The fact is their sevrver is a supporter of spammers and does NOTHING to stop being listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 So let's review. Another customer of the company that hosts my domain sent out spam. spam Cop added that server to bl.spamcop.net. I have my e-mail account on that server forwarding all e-mail to spam Cop (which is suggested in the spam Cop documentation). Since the server doing the forwarding is now in bl.spamcop.net, every single e-mail that is forwarded gets blocked. 30062[/snapback] I had the same problem. But my host (verio) got better in the last months, almost no listings and for hours only, not for days... Solution: Let spam Cop POP your account (instead of forwarding). Then the e-mails don't have your domain's OUTGOING smtp-IP in the header and don't get blocked. Worked quite well for me. - Of course this delays your mails for about 15 min and adds to the workload of the servers, but ... (When my hosts INCOMING smtp-IP get listed I still have the problem. To use the same IP for inbound and outbound traffic is "part of their anti-spam-politics and can not be changed" ) Lukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingspacers Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I would phrase it as a more general feature request: Personal IP Exceptions list. This would be a list to which the user can add any IP address or range of IP addresses that he desires. This could be the servers of the user's ISP or any other servers. The mail filter would look up every IP address it checks in this list and if there is a hit, skip the blocklist check for that IP address. This would help both the person who is worried about his own ISP getting blacklisted and the guy who wants to use the Korea blocklist, but with the exception of a couple of Korean servers from which he wants to receive mail. That said, I doubt that anything like this will be implemented in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff G. Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 You may be interested in my proposal for New Whitelists for SpamCop Email System. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhager Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 Sorry to disappoint but you couldn't be farther off with your response. My host is a small operation in Arizona. I like them because I get great personal service. They have people they think are legit who start spamming or people are not careful with their account passwords. My host makes every attempt to stop spammers and responds quickly. I have not had these problems in the past. It seems just recently it has happened a couple times. The question is why is the company that hosts his domian getting blocked Answer because it's cheap and the reason it is cheap is because it is no bloody good and just wants to milk your bank account Answer tell them they are getting listed by SpamCop (not a easy feat). 30066[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhager Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 I think this is a great idea! I would phrase it as a more general feature request: Personal IP Exceptions list. 30079[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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