I have detailed PERSONAL information on spammers.

[FeedUp]

I've spent MONTHS trying to get someone in law enforcement interested in what I have. Nothing has come of it. I've tried to get several security writers to take a look at what I have, nothing worthwhile there either.

Four spammers, two are individuals and two are groups. I think you'll know them all. They've been doing this since at least 2002 and have annual net incomes in excess of twenty MILLION dollars. I know who they're and where they live.

I can prove it within minutes. If anyone who RUNS this place cares to look at what then PLEASE, PM me. Otherwise this is my final stop. I've had enough. CANSPAM indeed. All a big joke.

[DavidT]

If anyone who RUNS this place cares to look at what then PLEASE, PM me. Otherwise this is my final stop. I've had enough. CANSPAM indeed. All a big joke.

This "place" is a user-to user forum, and the people who actually "run" SpamCop aren't all that involved with the operations. Even if they were...they aren't "spam cops" in the literal sense of the words, so they wouldn't be able to do much with your information.

There have been prosecutions of people involved with spam, but those prosecutions tend to be at the state level, so your best bet is to contact the state Attorney General office in the state or states in which these people operate.

We're all "feed up" with spam and spammers, so here, you'll find people who would be happy to discuss anything with you, but none of us are involved in law enforcement.

DT

[Javier]

I have always thought that the spam "problem" could/should be resolved (at less in some countries) in an analog way.

[DavidT]

I have always thought that the spam "problem" could/should be resolved (at less in some countries) in an analog way.

Huh?

DT

[Miss Betsy]

Huh?

Analog = hands on, I think. IOW, if you know where the spammer lives....

Not that I am advocating any 'hands on' approach.

On a serious note to the OP: persecution requires money. If there has been no money lost by any complaintants, then those who are able to persecute are not interested - if they are able to persecute. CANSPAM is US only, for instance. If the spammer is somewhere else, CANSPAM doesn't apply.

The internet, because it is international, is not regulated by laws. And, because it is digital, no one can 'force' anyone to comply. However, because it is digital, no one can force anyone to receive spam. That's why blocklists are the answer.

Miss Betsy

[FeedUp]

No PM! What a surprise. No reply from the last two journalists I tried either.

The people who run spamcops wouldn't know what to do with the identities of the biggest spammers? That's fantastic Dave. It all makes sense now. Like the fact they don't read their own forum.

I thought im logs, emails, desktop screenshots, balance sheets and banking information would have been a nice change for you guys from MTA logs.

I tired two AG's, I thought the fact that tens of thousands of CHILDREN are exposed to the filth these scumbags send daily would have interested them but no. Oh yes I sound like a jerk NOW but I broke my back and many laws for months to get this. All for NOTHING.

Also no one as big as these guys have ever been caught and it looks like they won't.

[StevenUnderwood]

I tired two AG's, I thought the fact that tens of thousands of CHILDREN are exposed to the filth these scumbags send daily would have interested them but no. Oh yes I sound like a jerk NOW but I broke my back and many laws for months to get this. All for NOTHING.

Which would probably explain why nobody in law enforcement is interested... they would likely not be able to use your information.

[DavidT]

No PM! What a surprise. No reply from the last two journalists I tried either.

I'm thinking it might have a bit to do with the way you're approaching people.

The people who run spamcops wouldn't know what to do with the identities of the biggest spammers? That's fantastic Dave. It all makes sense now. Like the fact they don't read their own forum.

Actually, there's at least one who reads the forums...Don D'Minion, SpamCop Administrator. But you appear to have misconstrued the purpose of SpamCop, which is simply to collect reports of spam, forward those reports to the responsible Internet service providers, and to maintain a Blocklist based on the spamming activity from specific IP addresses. There are other organizations that deal with information on specific spammers, such as the Spamhaus ROKSO project, and Spamhaus provides a special version to qualified law enforcement agencies. Here's a link:

http://www.spamhaus.org/Rokso/

Have you been in contact with Spamhaus?

I thought im logs, emails, desktop screenshots, balance sheets and banking information would have been a nice change for you guys from MTA logs.

It might be interesting, but what would/should we do with such information?

I tired two AG's, I thought the fact that tens of thousands of CHILDREN are exposed to the filth these scumbags send daily would have interested them but no.

The authorities get much more excited about child porn than about spam.

Also no one as big as these guys have ever been caught and it looks like they won't.

Hmmmm...if you say so.....what about Soloway, Ralsky, Sanford Wallace, and others that have been prosecuted? Here are a few recent links from this very forum:

- Feds: Notorious Seattle spammer indicted, Soloway gets it!

- Ralsky is arraigned

- federal grand jury indictment unsealed today in Detroit

- NJ man gets two years jail for AOL spam scam, from Yahoo!News

- FTC hits major spammers of alleged hoodia and HGH products

There are many more. Years ago, I tried very hard to get spam outlawed, but I was a little ahead of the curve. I was invited to speak at some hearings the FCC had in Washington, DC (was too busy to go), invited to review books about spamming, interviewed in computing magazines, all while chasing spammers from ISP to ISP, trying to make their lives....difficult.

If are in possession of actionable information on illegal activities, then be persistent with both media and with law enforcement until you find someone willing to look into it....or don't....your choice. But I don't know what we can do for you here. I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

DT

[Devilwolf]

I've something of a militant scorched earth anti-spammer myself, and I know it hard to get law enforcement interested... but I'm found that it often easier to get tax collectors and business regulators interested....

Try some creative thinking...

Is the spammer spamming form home? Maybe they need a business permit, maybe local zoning laws prohibit adult businesses (most spammers are porn spammers), selling drugs, they need a state pharmacy license. If they live in a trailer park, condo, or apt. their lease may prohibit running a business.

Or maybe send some proof about the adult biz to the spammers' neighbors... Most home owners don't want adult biz as neighbors because its bad for property values, most parents don't want adult biz in their neighborhood because they feel that pornophile=pedophile

Today I found a spammer who was selling anonymous domain registration to other spammers and acting as Commercial Mailing Receiving Agency... Need a USPS permit for that, and the spammer was using a maildrop at a UPS Store, so I filed a mail fraud complaint against UPS for allowing the spammer to act as CMRA at their CMRA (all sorts of violations of the USA PATRIOT ACT) , and send a copy of my complaint to UPS' legal dept.

There are plenty of legal ways to get hands on.

[Michael Tsark]

Dear Feedup,

I empathize with your situation as I sometimes submit incident reports to all and any appropriate authoritative agencies.

I agree with DavidT that your best bet here is to not give up and pursue contacting http://www.spamhaus.org/Rokso/ as far as SpamCop services can go.

Also, if the criminal enterprise in question happens to be operating under a business license then another option is to contact the State Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs in the State which the business is operating in. If and when enough complaints have accumulated then the Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs has the enforcement powers to financially penalize and/or bring forth criminal charges against the criminal enterprise in question. However, any information that you had obtained illegally might likely pose a problem. I cannot tell you what to do because I'm limited to only telling what I would do if I were in your situation. I would submit an incident report anonymously to the Governor's Office of Consumer Affairs and then simply let the System work its esoteric magic no matter how long or how many years it may happen to take?

And I know it's difficult but please try not to get mad and upset with everybody else who also hates spammers and scammers as much as, or even more so than you do. Before you continue being angry at SpamCop please keep in mind that no one has been physically stopping you from making a business career choice in forming your own anti-spam enforcement agency so that others in your similar situation can easily be able to seek your help in receiving the desired legal and policing assistance that we all wish we could so easily obtain towards fighting spammers, scammers, and other Internet crime. I'm saying please don't give up the fight but for the sake of your health at least give up all the needless whining over how everybody else has failed to live up to your unrealistic expectations in thinking that someone else has already done all of the rest of the work for you on how to shutdown global crime. If you haven't figured out by now that it's a lot more difficult than you think, then all you need to do is come up with the magical solution so that we can all turn to you in search of solving global crime. But be prepared, for if you fail to meet all of our expectations in providing all the solutions for us, don't be surprised if some of us start whining to you for not doing a good enough job. Of course I'm just being facetious but that's only because I find all of your senseless whining more comical than helpful.

[btech]

The people who run spamcops wouldn't know what to do with the identities of the biggest spammers? That's fantastic Dave. It all makes sense now. Like the fact they don't read their own forum.

Well, this is a public forum, we're all end-users of the site/software... if you want to get the information to the admins of SpamCop, try a different route, like contacting them from the SpamCop home page.

But an FYI, most of us here know who these spammers are and what they send... ROKSO from SpamHaus is helpful there too.

And you may want to take a different approach if your information is that good; I find your tone to be defensive and disrespectful. It's easier to catch flies with honey.

[showker]

If these spammers are even remotely involved in child porn, stalking, or other online preditory activities involving minors, you should tell your story to www.blueridgethunder.com

-- these guys are REAL cops -- not just 'pretend' cops like those prolifferating the web (some mentioned above) -- they actually go out and get the bad guys and put them in hand cuffs. Seriously. (SpamHaus is outside the U.S. with no judiciary powers at all... record keepers.)

They're not far from here in Bedford County, VA.

They're good guys ... but for spammers, they're seriously bad guys.

Nothing is more rewarding than hearing of another spammer's door pounded down in the middle of the night. Nothing! Too bad there aren't more of them... and more enforcement offices willing to actually enforce the law!

again, that's : www.blueridgethunder.com